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Yes, I am throwing shade at Prussian indoctrination

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[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Daily reminder that modern school is designed to stamp out creativity, beauty, free thinking, self-directed behavior, and critical thinking to create a permanent worker caste.

The real irony is this was intended for the lower classes only (upper classes used private tutors, which perform two sigmas higher than any group education) but the upper classes soon forgot this and now we educate our entire population this way.

Whomp whomp.

The craziest thing is this is well known By Every Single School Teacher You've Ever Had. We all have to study this in depth to get an education certificate and yet keep turning the crank on the machine anyway. I couldn't keep doing it with a clear conscience so I fled the system.

https://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html

[–] zekas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is about america isn't it checks link but of course

[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Tbf, I don't know of any country school system that doesn't excessively use tests and lectures with an authoritarian teacher ruling the classroom in a command and control format.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but at least in Central America all the public schools (including the private French, British, and international schools) all used the exact same format. My friends who went to private school in Kenya, Pakistan, South Africa, South Korea, and UK all describe the exact same format used in the US, so I expect there's a blind leading the blind situation happening. Colonialism seems to have replicated this format nearly everywhere. And European countries seem to be all following the same format.

The only place I've been where this was even slightly different was in small public schools in Alaska, where the schools were extremely well funded. The class sizes were tiny, only like 6-8 students per grade. However, they were still grouped by age (mostly), and still had lectures and tests and homework. It was much less pressure on test scores but it was still there.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I went through twelve years of school without learning a single one of those lessons. And I really am not convinced that the only reason there are counselors is because people are trained to wait to be told what to do. People recognize when they're out of their depth.

[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The human spirit is remarkably resilient and extremely difficult to fully suppress. Not every teacher agrees with the goals, many actively attempt to circumvent the system in subtle ways. Of course there's still tests and silly rules, but they do what they can. When I was s middle school teacher I tried my best to foster a sense of wonder and intrinsic motivation wherever I could in between teaching to the state tests.

As to counselors, I ask why aren't emotional regulation and CBT techniques taught at every age? Why do we have plenty of psychiatrists and medications but effectively no meditation and reflective journaling? When are kids taught to recognize sadness, stress, anxiety, and process that emotions in a healthy way?

There's half hearted attempts at individualized learning plans but that mostly just turns into more time on tests and such. When are kids taught how to follow their own interests and dive deep into subjects? The first time most students get to do self-directed work is maybe research papers in later high school, if they are lucky. We treat students like children, so they act like children.

We know students do best with a mixed age class but we group them by age anyway. We know not every brain develops at the same rate, but we force them to take tests and get bad grades anyway. We have brilliant individualized adaptive learning systems like Khan Academy and yet teachers love attention and control and so give their same crappy lecture on algebra day 53 every year anyway.

It's such a train wreck of a system you'd have to get rid of classes, grades, and forced age grouping just to get started on building something better. See the Free School movement like Sudbury Valley to find examples that have lasted for a hundred years successfully with no tests, grades, papers, or lectures.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you haven’t read Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire you’d probably enjoy it. As a warning I did find it incredibly dense, but that might have been a translation issue and it’s a classic for a reason.

[–] alapakala@quokk.au 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

🤝 nice! More homework.
Kids should be free to question teachers and administration.
Guardians should be 200% involved in children's development.
Topics should cover subject matarials, improvements, and and fun.
Grades shouldn't exist.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

All compatible with emancipatory pedagogy!