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Meanwhile on Lemmy: don’t be a doomer, everything will be fine after the midterm.
What Lemmy are you talking about?
For some reason, on Lemmy the dems are literally the same as Trump. According to Lemmy both parties are the same, everyone you vote for is awful, even the socialist ones are basically George Bush in their eyes. Obama is no different than Hitler around here for some reason.
Basically all nuance and understanding of time, effort, momentum and realpolitik are thrown out the window here and you either are full tankie or you’re a nato backed genocider even if you oppose Israel’s genocide.
I mean here In Lemmy AOC, Mandami people like them, they are all nato backed genociders!!!
In Lemmy everyone is evil, nothing will get any better, and best of all they have zero concrete ideas or actions to change it. Every option is Zionist even the ones opposing Israel and you are a “NATO backed” killer if you choose to participate in any election, even to vote for someone opposed to Israel.
Also based on the history of the US you should kill yourself as you are responsible for the rape of the world by virtue of being born in the US a century after their favorite examples of imperialism.
Basically no one is good enough, everything is genocide, but they have no idea how to change it only to talk shit in everyone and everything.
Lemmy politics are really sad.
I have never seen anyone say this. There are a lot of people saying we can make things less bad with a good midterm result, and that should still be something we try to do.
I have you tagged as far right. I’ll allow you to argue that if you want.
I came here specifically because I was tired of people telling me everything was going to be ok, we are not ok and things are going to get much worse.
Well, don’t talk about doing something about it. They might ban you. 🤫
Nothing I want to do is bannable for me saying it.
I just wanted empathy and a place to recontextualize failing to meet the increasingly hostile demands of daily life instead of the same blind toxic positivity that terminally individualizes all suffering and condescends empathy towards suffering outside of our immediate view while pathologically labelling every sign of collapse as just "the pendulum swinging one way before it comes back".
What about the things you wish other people would do for you?
None of those things you are indirectly gesturing at would do anything but hasten a collapse into a world even less welcoming to someone with a brain like mine.
I don't know if doomerism is a much healthier response than denialism.
Things can just stay kind of shitty for a long time, they can gradually improve at local levels. Though it is easy and not necessarily inaccurate to predict worsening conditions under fascism, the fact remains that fascism has never existed this way under these conditions, and US federal authority has always been expansive but fragile (which is why they are correct when they identify leftist and anti-imperialist movements in the metropole as an existential threat). There is no telling where this will go, or whether worse conditions wouldn't present opportunities for real change that we currently don't have.
They've been fighting for this for decades, and if they could, they would have already shut down all resistance. Fascism and capitalism is unsustainable -- and increasingly unstable -- and so the fight is over mitigation rather than victory.
I know fascism is unsustainable and will collapse itself, I also know I will likely not survive the period until it collapses and I am tired of people saying confidently that I will when people already don't listen to me about how much I am already struggling.
I know fascism is unsustainable and will collapse itself
Historically speaking, authoritarian governments and absolute monarchy are absolutely sustainable. If anything, democracy and the protection of minority rights is a temporary blip.
For all we know, Trump could be the founder of a dynasty that lasts hundreds of years.
At the moment, China also seems to be out-competing democracies. Arguably technologies like AI, facial recognition, and the like will also help keep to authoritarian leaders in power.
I see, so, how do you know that?
My life experience up until now coupled with how much more difficult things are getting everyday NOW...?
Also it is easy to look at people with similar brains to me with less privilege and support in my society and see that most of them are dead, in jail or broken down into pieces in some other way and then extrapolate the trendline for myself...?
The US is certainly a very demoralizing place to be vulnerable in; ever aspect of it is designed to make anyone who isn't a wealthy property owner feel constantly threatened, let alone those who are threatened. I don't know if anyone reasonable would argue that being vulnerable in the US isn't a reason to feel cynical or pessimistic.
Unfortunately, that has also always been the case. It is much easier to imagine change from your actions now if you go back to learn what people went through to resist before, and still lived out lives that they expressed as fulfilling. We have far more tools at our disposal than people in the past did, and it is important to remember that we have those tools because many of them were willing to resist despite the overwhelming dread. I don't know if I could say I've had lived experience that tells me things inevitably get better, but I have centuries of history that shows trying is never worthless.
It's fair to feel that despair, but I'd rather do what I can to make that despair easier on others, and that also makes it easier on me. I see that you post very frequently about news on these events, maybe you'd feel more in control of the power afforded to you if you redirected that time and energy toward learning how people have resisted and are currently resisting, and what you can do to help with the time and energy that you have.
I see that you post very frequently about news on these events, maybe you’d feel more in control of the power afforded to you if you redirected that time and energy toward learning how people have resisted and are currently resisting, and what you can do to help with the time and energy that you have.
Don't condescend me with the "stop focusing on negative news!" toxic positivity narrative.
I am alive and motivated, I am not in despair stop projecting despair onto my honesty and awareness about collapse and how it intersects my mortality... I don't have to be positive about this and I am done letting people lecture down to me about it.
but I have centuries of history that shows trying is never worthless.
When did I EVER say not to fight or that fighting is useless?
Stop trying to force me into this collective need to hallucinate that everything will somehow turn out ok and that the only alternative to that is paralyzed despair, it is suffocating and reflects your or someone else's fear of mortality not mine. My fear of mortality compels me to be unable to suffocate silently nor hold on to a belief I am not being suffocated... while I am being suffocated.
I think the connection is in the "things will get worse," and "I'll die before they get better;" which I am confident is fair to read as despair or dread. If it reads as condescending to express empathy with your outlook, I don't know if that says much about what I've actually said. Even in this comment, you assumed that collapse is inevitable (or even the worse outcome, which is interesting) and that this is directly linked to your mortality. Though you certainly seem like you're threatened by the state, the words you've said are conducive to an outlook of hopelessness not because of inevitability, but because of apathy.
I can tell this is coming from a more liberal perspective, which often results in the construction that a less desirable world is often perceived as an undesirable or even intolerable world. You'd be far from the first "left-leaning" liberal to come to Lemmy and express this kind of perspective, because most people in the US are purposefully neglected the political literacy or historical memory to imagine a system that does not look like this one that isn't "regressive," I.e. a "collapse."
There are people in the US right now who are living (and resisting) in an apocalyptic collapse of their society, and I'm asking you to consider whether what you've experienced truly warrants this kind of construction of the future that views their struggle as worthless or toxic (whether or not you meant to, that's what this narrative does).
You admitted several times you are projecting despair onto me, I have stated I am not in nor do I endorse despair.
There are people in the US right now who are living (and resisting) in an apocalyptic collapse of their society
What about my words denies their agency?
Even in this comment, you assumed that collapse is inevitable (or even the worse outcome, which is interesting)
What are you on about?
^ this is nearly indisputable evidence of collapse, if you want to deny the future with a religious sort of faith because you need to for your own health fine but don't drag me through the mud while you do it.
One last thing, you are a fool for thinking this collapse is good, collapse is always a violent, indiscriminate and chaotic process even when what is collapsing is "bad" or parts of a system have already collapsed.
I hate neoliberalism with a passion, but that doesn't mean I think it collapsing like this is good.
"Projection" is doing a lot of legwork after I used your own words. But I can see what kind of interaction this, and what kind of person you are from it.
Your words don't need to "deny their agency," to illustrate why it is harmful, or at the very least, unhelpful. You want to wait until it denies their agency to change? I don't know what optimism I can find in that outlook.
As far as climate change goes, again, I'd ask you to consider whether people in "collapsed" ecologies resist with the outlook that you've expressed (explicitly). Unless, you'd want to "deny their agency," by now refusing what colonialism even does, who it has affected, and what they do about it. To call that kind of optimism "religious" (let alone something "corrupting" like "dragging you through the mud), echoes a markedly settler-colonial form of objectivity that, I'll remind you, emerged from the very system that accepts this harm as inevitable.
And you think you're being realistic, even though you'd discard the reality of human responses to this destruction. Please, don't feel the need to type up some vindicating response to this, just sit with it privately and see if there's anything better for you there.
You are strawmanning me by suggesting that because I think collapse is nearly inevitable or already underway at the moment that this must mean I think humanity cannot live in harmony with the earth and that the unsustainability of capitalism, neoliberalism or any other way of organizing people is inherent to humanity itself.
I never said that.
What I said is, the earth system is in collapse (from a human and biodiversity standpoint, and from a standpoint that ecocide and genocide are bad), indisputably, no matter what we do now.
That does not mean I endorse giving up or that I think people who have already received the brunt of collapse don't have agency.
I am done, this conversation is pointless.
I definitely don’t think we’ll be fine after
Thank you, finally someone fucking rational.