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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

You put yourself in the mind of the person or people your choice affects. If they would think positively about your choice, it's generally good, if negatively, then bad.

This isn't rocket science

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago)

Penn Jillette has a good explanation. I don't agree with a lot he says, but this is pretty spot on. (The clip goes kinda off the answer after about a minute)

tl;dw: If you I don't believe in a god, what's stopping me from raping and killing anyone I want? And the answer is: I have. I already have. I have raped and killed everyone I want to rape and kill, and the answer is............. zero. There are zero people I want to rape or kill. And the question becomes: Who are these people walking around with lists of people they want to rape and kill? Why do we consider THEM the sane ones?

[–] Zensate@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Let's be honest, they do so by adhering to cultural norms with the exact same devotion and lack of scrutiny that religious people do.

"Why do we do it this way?" "We've always done it this way!" "Why is it wrong?" "Because it's just wrong!"

The very small subset of actually moral people decide between good and bad choices not depending on social norms, not depending on laws, not even depending on morals or ethics, but by what motivations their actions arise from, whether they come from Ego or understanding.

You can never know whether an action is good or bad, you can only know whether your motivations are good or bad.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Religious people act like they're more moral or have morality that's special because they believe in God. However when you ask why all those pious people back in the day: cheated, stole, murdered, adulterer, were racist, had slaves, raped kids and stuff. They would say that it was the norm at the time and nobody else knew better.

To paraphrase Stephen J Fry: "then what are you for?!"

[–] Zensate@lemmy.world 0 points 30 minutes ago

Sure, but so do atheists. They just believe their morality is special because they believe in the current social norms, within the current societal context. In 10 years they'll be different, should a catastrophe happen it will shift completely. It's just as flippant in its own way.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 50 minutes ago

It's a simple 2-part equation to determine what is a good/bad choice (socially)

Golden rule (do unto others...), combined with a little social intelligence to understand that if I were someone else, I might want different things.

Generally, shooting people with paintballs is bad, but there are scenarios where someone is okay with getting shot with a paintball (like when playing paintball) so shooting them with a paintball in that circumstance is "good".

[–] saimen@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Evangelicals are just psychopaths, kept in line through fear.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Since religious morality is made up by people it comes from the same source as atheist morality. Humans!

Religion tends to make it easy for people to insert shitty stuff and claim it is a divine mandate. Atheists have to make a case for why something is right or wrong.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 46 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Ironically, biblical morality is absolutely fucked in the head.

Killing women because they didn’t scream while they were raped (probably because the uncle or father or brother raping them was either choking them out or holding a knife to their throat or something worse.)

Killing infants and unborn children because someone 3 generations ago did a thing.

Stoning teenagers for being, you know, teenagers.

It really is a good thing morality doesn’t come from god.

[–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The best part is when God goes " see that guy over there, he believes so much in me, i will torment him beyond reason to proof his dedication to me"

There are so many of these terrible examples of god being this huge asshole. When i read the bible in my early teens, it was reading the bible that 'made me an atheist'. Seeing that people took this asshole god serious.

Over the years i did get to learn more about Jesus, he is the proto-hippy about sharing love and kindness. But somehow, very few christians follow up on his words and teachings. Christians actively chosing to be assholes when they have Jesus as a deity in their mythological fanfinction. It boggles the mind.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I think my favorite morality-thing to bring up is Song of Solomon.

Especially when people get on about purity culture. It’s Bronze Age porn.

I mean, yeah. god is a raging asshole, but that one usually gets more entertaining reactions.

[–] Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Sending bears after teenagers because they called you bald once is crazy Elisha.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 4 points 5 hours ago

It's possibly because they told him to go up the hill where people worshipped other gods, the sinnest of all sins

[–] eurodyne@piefed.world 29 points 8 hours ago

It’s much easier to be a good person when you aren’t indoctrinated from birth with some book of ancient myths telling you who to hate.

[–] Varesti@lemmy.zip 11 points 7 hours ago

"I don't need the threat of eternal punishment, we've got punishment at home." --Me, a bad person.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago

The thing is, you can "debatebro" yourself into most of morality, save for stuff like "homosexuality is evil".

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 7 hours ago

I made a video about this because it comes up so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfgXj_V33Pw

It's scary how many christians will pretend "my particular interpretation of god said so" is objective morality. People actually defend rape, slavery, and genocide.

I rely on sense and reason, personally. I aim to reduce overall suffering because I find suffering unpleasant and I empathize with others, and also because working together is mutually beneficial. It's not a choice between emotion and utility, it's both.

[–] Boppel@feddit.org 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

By his Noodly Appendage!