This was a missed opportunity to educate people about why individual, voluntary altruism will never achieve the scale or objectives of state-operated welfare programs.
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Here, I'll give up all means of production that I personally own and aren't for personal use.
Done.
(Ok I'm not giving up my retirement account until we have an effective pension system because I'm not an idiot, but other than that done)
Many people do give some of their money or belongings to those less fortunate already. It's called charity. Socialists want to create a world where charity isn't necessary.
I think of it where charity is not optional. Seriously though there would be charities but for more niched things. Not to make sure vets (who get more healthcare than most of the country) get healthcare or children get healthcare. I swear the charity commercials from when I was a kid about children in africa are now about children in the us.
vets (who get more healthcare than most of the country)
You may be overestimating the quality of VA hospitals.
ETA: Just to clarify, I’m not trying to negate their point. I’m just mentioning that veteran healthcare isn’t actually all that great. There’s a good reason so many vets end up crazy and homeless in the US.
Literally any healthcare>>>No healthcare
There were times in my life that I would not go to the hospital unless I was literally dying for fear of the costs. A ton of people in the US are like that, and imagine how many ignore weird pains or symptoms that then progress into serious conditions that could've been treated if they'd have gotten checked out earlier.
This is one of the major contributing factors to the reduced cost for socialized healthcare: it is a lot less expensive to catch things early than to treat them later.
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That isn't what socialism is, but it is however exactly what Jesus told people to do. And yet she - a Christian - seems to hold the idea in contempt. Curious.
I don't love religion, but many churches do make some attempt to help the poor in the areas where they run.
There are a lot of churches that are closer to a mafia with intent and fees.
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Ask your average blue collar Republican voter what they hate about socialism and they will perfectly describe capitalism
The average socialist describes socialism as a liberal, democratic, capitalist center left government.
People would lose their shit if the government started going after private ownership.
Capitalism is LITERALLY forcing other people to give away all of their belongings.
In capitalism, you just don't have any remaining belongings to give away.
In no way does capitalism require people to give away all of their belongings. If there is one core tenet of capitalism, it is private property.
Capitalism is LITERALLY forcing other people to give away all of their belongings
can you explain this some? im not very knowledgeable about economic systems
You're better off reading wikipedia than getting economics advice from someone who thinks capitalism involves the abolition of private property.
The goal of capitalism is to use exploitative systems so that you gain others' money and they don't gain yours.
The whole idea of investment is that you hire people to work for you and then they don't get the full value of the work they do, and it goes to you. That's how your employer makes money.
Same for landlords and basically all of the wealthy people in capitalism.
And when you aren't making enough money, you start making things so expensive that they can't afford homes, healthcare, food, and other necessities, like what's happening now.
There's no need for homelessness or poverty to exist. Those things are choices made by the wealthy.
I'm guessing they mean, that under capitalism, most of your basic needs require money to access, so if you run out of money you have to sell your belongings in order to survive.
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I’m scared for our society, nobody willing to actually educate themselves outside of social media
Wait, wait... Jesus Christ literally said that. No, seriously. It was something like, "if you want to follow me, surrender your Earthly possessions" and "A thief cannot rob your ephemeral wealth, unlike stuff in your house." Paraphrased poorly, but that's the gist of it.
That's what I was thinking. She didn't describe socialism, she described christinism. She probably hates it just the same.
"Well if you hate Hitler's genocide, we shouldn't all have to collectively do something about it. Buy your own gun, get yourself to Germany, and start fighting Nazis yourself!"
Well that is just it, the wealthy of the US were totally on board with the Nazi. Industrialists like Ford help to bankroll the Nazi Empire by building factories and saying they could keep all the profits. Not to mention IBM developing the number system for the tattoos on Jewish prisoners and helping with the logistics of sending them to the death camps
Hitler didn't even want to kill the Jews at first, he wanted to exile them and sent envoys to see if other countries would take them. When the wealthy of the US found out they went and lobbied against this and stroked more anti-jewish sentiment in Europe to ensure the final solution would happen. Hell, even Hitler said he based the Holocaust after the Native American genocide the US committed.
US was fully onboard with eugenics leading up to WWII. There's a whole lotta retconning going on.
Not the least of it is that US were the heroes in WWII. We were "neutral" until the thing was half through, and even then barely even fought the Germans. History props America up, because one of our biggest exports is "history"...but we're the third-stringers who soaked up the glory when we finished the game 30 points up...while we were brought in with a couple minutes left and up by 50.
Us milennials are the worst of it. We got taught by boomer history teachers who heard endless exaggerated war stories from their dads and uncles and had that to feed their already stubborn attitudes. Or worse, Vietnam vets.
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"Google is your friend."
It might be her friend but it isn't ours!
I mean the proof is in the pudding.
We can all see how the conservative "pull yourself up by your boostraps trickle down" ideology is (isn't) working for the majority of our society, including the vast majority of conservatives.
I'm not some tree hugging ultra-lib. But the bottom line is capitalism simply isn't sustainable. It causes rampant pollution and an ever-widening wealth gap between the haves and have nots. We haven't even been utilizing capitalism that long in the big picture and it's already absolutely catastrophic for our environment. It's just not sustainable. It needs to be HEAVILY regulated if it keeps existing at all. And one thing I know for absolute certain is you get the opposite of regulation when you hire conservatives/regressives.
Dear Capitalists,
If you want capitalism so bad, be sure to "donate" a billion to the campaign of your favorite politician and use socialism to transfer wealth from the people to you without having to actually sell them anything, then use those billions to buy your own island...
Oh wait they are already doing that, sorry
"It's like investments, bailouts and subsidies but for people instead is companies."
Yeah, close enough.
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"build one big insurance company to provide coverage for everyone. And no gaps or deductibles. And they can't discriminate who's allowed to join. And let the government administrate it so a single company can't screw you over unfairly."
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Isn't that how people who decry socialism define it, not really how socialism actually works?
It's really more a description of welfare, which is something that can be utilized by socialism, but doesn't define it.
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How about you forego social security and Medicare if you hate socialism so much? No? Thats what I thought.
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It’s not “ignorance.” They know better. They pretend not to.
Trust me, most people actually not know how socialism or communism work, i tried to ask to many and everyone (except maybe 2 people) do not know what either of them are
Most people have a vague "the government tells you what to do in every aspect of life" sense of communism, and think socialism is like decaffeinated that.
If you come at it without using the words, and the audience is labor, you can usually get them on board. "If your boss doesn't even go into the office and makes seven figures off your work, and you make five, how does that feel?"
Of course, some people are so conservative they're happy to stay in their lower tier of the hierarchy.
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