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[–] inari@piefed.zip 156 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Piracy isn't stealing anyway

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 110 points 6 days ago

They call it stealing because the real legal term is unlawful copying or reproducing without copyright permits, and that sounds closer to a misdemeanor.

If we claim someone has stolen thousands of songs causing millions of dolars in damages it does look like a felony, and that is the way they've chosen to scare us.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I feel the same way about people applying terms like "theft" to events of intellectual property misuse like copying another artist's art style, reusing another comedian's jokes, etc. Those things are problems of their own, but should not be called "theft".

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 68 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s never been stealing, it’s infringement of copyright, which aught to carry much less of a penalty since the original owner was not deprived of their property.

But we live in hell, so capitalism literally bankrupts families when they film their kid dancing to music that was playing on a public broadcast on FM radio.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 16 points 5 days ago

The record industry has always claimed that every pirated album is a lost sale, but that is t really true. Studies that have been commissioned by the record biz itself have shown that the biggest music PURCHASERS, are also big Pirates as well. These are people who spend every last cent on music, and still need more.

I generally use pirating to audition artists and albums I'm curious about. If I like them, I'll buy their CDs, because I want the actual item, and I want to support the artist. But I can't afford to buy random music just to see if I like it enough to financially support it.

Pirating is just the modern version of the radio.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Piracy has never been stealing.

When you steal something, the real issue is that the other person is deprived of some tangible item they used to have.

When you "pirate", you're merely violating a copyright. The government granted someone a monopoly on the expression of an idea, and you're not respecting the government's decision on that item's exclusivity.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And like. I'd be fine with that if the primary function in practice was to ensure the original creator gets financially compensated for their work and then they can pay for copyright controlled distribution services if that helps therm make sure they get paid but that is not why or how current law is used and I'm kinda losing that it even can be.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

Right. Copyright is supposed to be for the good of the population. In order to encourage people to create things, they're given a short monopoly on it after which it enters the public domain. The original copyright term was 14 years, I think.

The new setup is absurd. The public doesn't benefit for more than a century, at which point the copyrighted item is probably of next to no value.

And, like you said, the artist rarely benefits. Writers are probably the ones who come the closest to benefitting. They only have to pay their agent a cut, their publisher, then, finally Amazon. With advances, etc. you have to wonder how much they get paid for each additional book sold. Musicians basically don't make anything anymore, with the bullshit that Spotify (partially owned by the record companies) does. And then movies, TV, and other video stuff, the amount that creators get is massively watered down, and that's after the "Hollywood accounting" makes profits from even successful things disappear.

I really don't respect copyright anymore because it doesn't benefit me (a member of the public) nor does it benefit the artist. It's just a tool to hand money to certain entertainment conglomerates.

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[–] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)

it's there, its free, just take it and enjoy it

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm gonna be the grumpy one and point out it's "eat your cake and have it too". That was the original version. It's just that people are dumb and couldn't understand that it's supposed to be a paradox, so they started saying it backwards

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

The more you know. Thanks for this.

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[–] bzipitidoo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tried to read an e-book from the local library. No problem downloading it, but the file was encrypted, and only an Adobe app that does not run on Linux could decrypt it. I used Wine in Linux to run the Windows version of this app, and it worked right up to the point of actually decrypting the file. Couldn't read the e-book I'd checked out. So I pirated the book.

I went to some trouble to download and install Wine and the Adobe software, and I resent that. Tried to do things the legal way. Could've saved myself much bother by pirating first and skipping the public library. I also deleted the Adobe garbage.

[–] nures_731@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago

There is actually an adobe deacsm extension you can install in calibre on linux, in order to rip books in linux

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 42 points 6 days ago

How to recruit new pirates to the cause. Thank you goofge.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

They don't claim that after the fact, it's their terms of service to begin with. Just another reason to never buy anything on these services. Even paying for streaming is less of a scam since at least you aren't being misled.

(I can feel my huge steam library giving my hypocritical ass mad side-eye right now)

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They don’t claim that after the fact, it’s their terms of service to begin with.

Terms of Service constantly change and are retroactive so it literally does not matter what was in them when the purchase was made.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

are retroactive

That definitely depends on jurisdiction, it is not in my country and should not be this way in any civilization.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Honest question, if the movie reappears in the catalog on Google does the "ownership" return to the customer? My money is on no they would have to repurchase

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Only if it's exactly the same version. They'll say you only have a license for that specific cut, and in the version now online there is one additional second of material so the license didn't count.

Of cause it costs extra for the version with Gandalf's Big Naturals!

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 6 points 5 days ago

We changed a black pixel in the intro credits by 1 hex value, that will be $69.99.

[–] Hundun@beehaw.org 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Piracy isn't stealing, period.

It was totally ok to pirate movies before this practice ever took place. Information had always wanted to be free.

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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know it doesn't fit the Piracy narrative, but there's actually more to this story. I've never actually heard this story, but at some point, Google gave everyone that same movie (The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring) for free. Anybody who saw the deal could claim it. I still have it. I'd gift it to this guy if I could, because I've since bought the extended edition trilogy in 4K. The Fellowship copy is locked to 1080p, and it's the theatrical version. I have no reason to ever watch it. But I still have it.

So I don't know what happened with them losing the rights, but they did kinda try to make it right by offering a giveaway. It would have been awfully nice of them to email everyone who lost their original copy and tell them they could claim it, though. That rarely happens with giveaways. They had a few of them back then. I also got Happy Feet and Big, maybe one or two others.

Make no mistake though. While I do have quite a nice collection of 4K movies in Apple TV (call them rentals if you want, but I won't pay more than $5 for them, so rental is fair since I paid rental price), I have easily 10-15 times as many on my Plex server (not all 4K though, but still).

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 13 points 5 days ago

If they could kick in your door and take away your DVDs, they would. Fuck em, pirate away.

[–] eah@programming.dev 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It should say rent instead of buy and give the expiration date corresponding to the date on which the license term ends.

"Rent. Unlimited viewing until January 1, 2027."

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Yes that is the thing it was not conveyed to people that way.

This should be legally mandated labeling.

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 17 points 5 days ago

Don't do business with google for starters. You just know you're gonna get screwed one way or another.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If there is DRM, you’re only renting it. You may be renting it until further notice for a one-off payment, but your lease could be unilaterally revoked at any time. The supplier framing your lease as a purchase is at the very least being misleading.

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[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Piracy isn't stealing, period.

It was totally ok to pirate movies before this practice ever took place. Information had always wanted to be free.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago

Yes and no. People so have to make a living. They are not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. But at the same time fuck the corporations.

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[–] percent@infosec.pub 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It's interesting how we jumped from owning physical media to "buying" permission to stream the file through the cloud.

Is there no service for people who are willing to pay for a downloadable, DRM-free copy of the file? It might be a bit niche, but it could at least make more than the $0 they make on each pirated copy.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are a few authors and musicians who do things like that, selling things DRM-free on their own site. But, the US "content" industry is a handful of mega companies who are doing everything possible to maximize copyright so they can lock up and control as much stuff as possible.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

GOG if you want to buy DRM-free games. Hoping to find a movie version of the site, I want digital copies of "Them!", "Patlabor", and so on.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah Steam has some DRM-free games too. It's interesting how this is an option for other media, but not movies (AFAIK)

[–] kamee@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Fun fact: in my country (Slovakia) it’s totally legal to download things. It’s the uploading it back that’s seen as illegal, so as long as you have a paid private torrent site where you can hit’n’run you are not breaking any laws.

[–] AbKingPro@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

Same in canada, I've been on Usenet rather than torrents for this exact reason and its delightful

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[–] queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Audible pulled the same shit to me when i was in the middle of reading How to Hide an Empire. only half way through, suddenly “no longer available”, yet no credit refunded to my account. Fuck you Jeffery

[–] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's why I created local backups of my Audible library.

https://getlibation.com/

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[–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)

As Mr Krabs would say, "it's not stealing, it's borrowing. You can borrow anything you'd like as long as you give it back"

So I'll just "give back" all my copies I have obtained, before I die!

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago

Why not after? You put this in your testament: "I hereby give my movies back to google. Fuck google!"

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 5 days ago

I saw this coming long ago, back in the 80s, when record labels started to complain that public libraries didn't have the right to lend their recordings, claiming that their ownership didn't give them the right to lend it to others. They got shot down in court of course, but they just waited until the political environment would be more welcoming to their sociopathic policies.

Pirate EVERYTHING!

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I think people should be paid for their work. I was happy to pay for music and movies and games. But I am not going to pay for something just to have it ripped away at a moments notice just because of corporate greed.

Additionally, I fully understand why someone would pirate when the thing they want isn't available to them to purchase, or is out of their price range.

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