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[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Nah, you don't eat mashed taters with thin crisps (corn or otherwise). You could, but typically people don't.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a dipper if you use gravey and sausages

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

It’s a real banger.

[–] trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which is why mushy peas are British guacamole:

A plate with mashed peas next to some french fries.

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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

And you don't boil avocados for guac

Edit: or add citrus to mash. I was going to say you can't add dairy to guac, but guac and sour cream go very well together. Def no butter or milk though shudder

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

More like guac is American hummus, considering chickpeas are one of the oldest domesticated plants we know of.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Guacamole isn't eaten on its own or with some form of gravy. Mashed potatoes are. One can argue about open face sandwich vs. burrito and the addition of each to their respective cuisine but that's a hard sell.

FWIW, Avocado toast doesn't factor into the discussion any more then a baked potato would imo.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

Mashed potato toast never really caught on anywhere.

Probably that’s a lot of carbs. Avocado has oils and fats and it’s a fruit.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Do people eat whole bowls of guacamole? Just like spoonfuls into your mouth?

As one of the 7 people who dislikes avocados - that seems horrifying.

[–] trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, if you consider tortilla chips to be edible guacamole spoons, then yes.

[–] FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Guacamole is so much nicer than avocado. I probably eat more guac than mashed potatoes, usually on toast or in wraps though. As the Aztec gods intended.

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, we used to but we stopped during the great avocado famine that lasted from 1845 until 1953. About 1 million of us died.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Pizza is just an open-face sandwich. Like a chili melt. Same thing.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Meh, it's different operations. The bread is already baked before you make the sandwich, pizza dough is raaaaaw.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Pizza purists are so funny. Like oh, your culture/city/country has a monopoly on putting random stuff on top of flat bread while it's baking? Get real. Probably the first loaf of flatbread ever made, the person eating it was like "This would be better with some sauce and stuff on top while it's baked."

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[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Except that Potatoes are from the new world....

[–] Slovene85@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tomatoes are too but are essential for many Italian dishes.

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Very true, which makes you think what their food was before they hijacked the tomato.

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mushy peas are just British guacamole

[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The guac they deserve

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, im of the 'poptart is basically a dessert calzone' persuasion, so... yeah, sure why not.

There are differences, but basically yes.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Seeing that both vegetables were part of the Columbian exchange and therefore have no pre 1500 European roots it's improper to call any potato preparation 'Irish'.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

What and marinara sauce isn't Italian? Mapo tofu isn't chinese? Modern sushi isn't japananese?

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Italian cuisine is particularly enjoyable for this. The carbonara sauce was an improvisation by an American army cook, and one of the first recipes had it made with cream.

And part off modern sushi is Norwegian, as they had an excess of salmon they kind of imposed the idea to use it on sushi, which worked.

Chilly peppers in Indian cuisine where introduced by the Portugese

Cuisine is one of the most fusion sensitive bits of culture out there and most claims of originality are bogus in a way.

[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think a dish has to be 100% original from the domestication of the species of the ingredients all the way to the invention of the dish. I would say it's valid to claim a variation of a dish with just one tiny tweak. Norwegians can't claim the entirety of sushi but they are totally valid in claiming specifically salmon sushi. The French can't claim to have invented neither wheat, flour, bread, the baking of bread in ovens or any of the other steps it took in-between, but they can claim the baguette specifically as a French bread.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I don't think any food type can be claimed by a nation, that idea is very novel. You talk about bread and I think about the quintessential Italian ciabatta bread, which was invented in the 1990's.

But I do really enjoy experiencing different cultures. I don't subscribe to the idea of ownership of any of it by any country or culture. That is all.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This reminds me of working in a brewery/restaurant kitchen in the middle of a rich Midwestern suburb (read: white as white gets), we wanted to do teriyaki wings. Instead of letting us make our own sauce, our idiot manager brought in a premade sauce made by a Chinese company in "the Korean style". So it was a Chinese-made Korean-style Japanese-American sauce. Fucking what? Especially silly considering real teriyaki sauce is just four very easily attainable ingredients in more-or-less equal parts.

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[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

With that logic any Mexican dish that contains cumin, cilantro, wheat or any dairy product including cheese is not real Mexican.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

You say that like it's a bad thing. Cuisine is particularly evolutionary.

The question 'what is Mexican' is particularly dark in this context as the conquistadors managed to wipe it so much of it's people and culture.

[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I only agree with this line of reasoning because you would have to conclude that there is nothing quintessentially US American with everything coming either from Native American culture (which they reject) or immigrant culture.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

You’re talking half a millennium ago…

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[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's times like this that I worry about legalizing weed

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

No because avocado is a berry but potato is a tuber

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

mashed avocados

[–] MyRobotShitsBolts@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

There was a can of refried beans that proudly stated “Mexican mashed potatoes”

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

In the soup, salad, or sandwich alignment it would be soup and so would guacamole.

[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

Bonus points for having O'Brian in there.

[–] FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hard to say if it's Irish. It could be. But:

First printed recipe: English author Hannah Glasse published the earliest known recipe for modern mashed potatoes in her 1747 book, The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy.

The recipe: She instructed cooks to boil and peel potatoes, then vigorously mash them with butter, salt, and milk.

Obviously Britain and Ireland are very close to one another, and someone being English doesn't mean they don't have Irish parentage or tutelage or friends. (Even in those days.)

Britain + Ireland are also called "The British isles," so unfortunately for the Irish, even if we disambiguate to include the possibility of it being an Irish creation, it will still be called a "British" dish - which merely makes it look like it's English again, to most people.

[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Potatoes in Ireland being a result of the Colombian exchange, this is one of those scenarios where you might be able to find an equivalent South American dish from before Ireland had potatoes(wild to think about, right?). The Inca grew potatoes with corn and eggplant for their farming, and it's hard to imagine they ate them raw.

Some googling shows things that all appear to be fusion cuisine, but then any use of tomatoes or potatoes in Europe is fusion cuisine anyway :P

Edit: lmao this entire discussion is hashed out further down anyway, love it

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It really doesn't get much better than that. You can substitute milk for cream, and also force it through a sieve to get extra creamy mash, and add a bit of garlic, but well done mash is so simple and good

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Instead of garnishing with pico you garnish with bacon bits.

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