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[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh yay, people who will be born illegally and have no legal status in any country. Basically slaves.

[–] stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

huh, I wonder if they will decide to revoke citizenship for Native Americans like they seemed to be fine with when this was being argued before the court?

think of all that Indian owned land that would be up for grabs... just sitting there, on top of unexploited mineral deposits and water rights claims... just waiting to be confiscated.

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

On the otherhand, I've always wanted to arm natives against invaders I guess.

[–] stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Bless those Patriots.

[–] PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, no. Stateless. Different.

Not treated any better, but the labor value extraction isn't as explicit!

Death to all States.

[–] morgan_423@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait, didn't SCOTUS shoot this down? Like, literally a month ago?

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

They did, but the branch charged with enforcing the laws is basically saying fuck the law.

[–] searabbit@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

Straight from the Andrew Jackson playbook on genocide.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 3 points 1 week ago

the branch charged with enforcing the laws is basically saying fuck the law

what a sentence. It has come to this.

[–] PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Who cares?

Laws are about what we accept. They're not magic spells passed down by fucking gandalf. You get used to thugs with guns telling you what the rules are, the rules are what the thugs with guns say they are.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 23 points 1 week ago

Illegal shadow president Miller wrote that EO because he is a racist scumbag.

[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Reading through the executive order I see three categories of people it's trying to affect.

  1. "Terrorists". This is the category I expect to be used first, and as such is the one I expect to get struck down first.

  2. Diplomats and other individuals with diplomatic immunity. This one frankly I assumed already didn't get birthright citizenship, as my reading of the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" clause was that it was these people it was excluding.

  3. "Birth Tourists". This is the one that I have been exposed to the most fearmongering about. To be frank I am skeptical it happens often enough to matter, and the government would probably fare better simply denying access to the country anyone pregnant enough for it to come up. I also expect this part of the order to be struck down the moment an attempt is made to apply it.

That's all assuming the order doesn't get suspended and subsequently struck down by the courts immediately, which is unlikely.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The diplomats one is kinda insane. It says if EITHER parent works for a foreign government, including consulates. So if there was a man who worked at one, had a baby with an American woman, the baby wouldn't have citizenship. Potentially there could be an American single mom, with a child born in America, and she would be harboring an illegal alien. All without leaving America once.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But if one of the parents has American citizenship, they would have the right to American citizenship through their parentage, and the executive order only purports to apply to children for whom neither parent has US citizenship.

It would need to be a pretty narrow set of circumstances, and it would still be unconstitutional if applied to a child for whom one of the two parents could have had a child with birthright citizenship.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It says EITHER PARENT on multiple occasions.

(b) either parent of that person is a foreign government employee, defined to include:

(ii) persons employed by a foreign embassy or consulate who are nationals of that foreign country;

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

You're quoting the subsections but the section 2 as a whole, at the top, says:

It is the policy of the United States that no executive department or agency shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship to, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship regarding, persons when neither parent of that person is a citizen and any of the following applies:

It's a boolean "and," so in order for those provisions you've quoted to apply, the person must also not have a citizen parent.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago

“Birth Tourists”. This is the one that I have been exposed to the most fearmongering about.

Seriously, that there's wave after wave of pregnant women entering the US just to give birth, to create American Babies, then leave again? These poeople really have worms in their brains.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

He’ll lose this one too.

[–] Thrickles@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Yep. That's the framework they're going for, anyone left of Hitler is "antifa", and "antifa" can be jailed or executed or shipped overseas all without trial, their families destroyed and their possessions stolen by the thugs doing the "enforcement", right down to their shoes and the teeth from their mouths.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America

The first sentence is already rotten. No single person in a state of law should have that much power.

It's probably standard verbiage since even before the Patriot Act, but I still don't like it.

I was hoping I could get the tl;dr from the text, because I simply cannot listen to his voice rn, but I can't read this shit either.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Damn those babies acting as agents of foreign governments!

[–] ulkesh@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

Oh look! Two micropenises in a room together.