It borks all the time but only because the disk becomes full due to snapper snapshots and pacman cache. I keep forgetting to clean up.
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Just stick these commands in a cron.weekly job or something, so you can forget about it:
paccache -rk2 # Remove packages from the cache, but keep the latest 2 versions
paccache -ruk0 # Remove packages from cache that are no longer installed
It's been years since I actually used Arch.
Yeah, as is everyone that makes memes about it. I wonder why no one that actively uses it memes about it hmm...
Maybe because shit don't break anymore.
Nice notion.
But then...
The other replies.
What other replies, almost all top comments are about arch being unreliable and the others are complaining about windows. The other replies support my claim bruh.
I been using Arch for well over 5 years now I think, around whenever the RX 580 was released. Still using it. Only had like one major breakage due to not reading the arch news, and managed to easily recover with the skills I built by following a manual install (arch-chroot into an existing install from a live-usb to fix issue).
As an interesting aside, try upgrading from Ubuntu 24.04 to 26.04.
They replaced coreutils with a metapackage that uninstalls GNU coreutils and installs one rewritten in Rust.
Or it would install one rewritten in Rust, if it still had any of the coreutils binaries required to, you know, install something.
A lot of recent Ubuntu release upgrades have blown up leaving entirely broken machines. My machines. My home server has some how not been one but several laptops and work servers had to be rebuilt from scratch or deep package hackery from recovery kernels.
I use converted a laptop to arch BTW and haven't run into this meme irl yet.
been on arch 7y now. I only needed a rescue disk once, and that was totally my fault
I hit upon a lot of pebkac errors.
... Though, in hindsight, maybe some of the determinations of "pebkac error" may have been a bit gaslighty darvo to hide bugs anywhere in the stack including up to ux. "you didn't read the , so it's your fault" type of events. ... reminds of the post-it note that's there to save the world, then eventually it gets ignored, then eventually falls away, gets crumpled, dumped, forgotten...
I've been using arch for maybe 5 years now, maybe longer. It's broken 4 times i think. 3 of those were windows updates that fucked with the bootloader. 1 time arch broke on an update, and checking the website had the fix right up top and it took 1 minute to fix. There were a couple other times where things didn't seem quite right but still working, and again the fix was right on the homepage and easy to do.
I've had Fedora break way more on me than Arch ever did. Arch is easy to recover from. It's fine. And it's always the same song and dance from people who have clearly never used it. "how do you keep it going? how do you prevent it from breaking? how hard was it to install?" none of the above. Arch isn't some beast of a distro that you constantly need to feed to keep happy. you can literally update the thing once a month if you so choose. I'm on NixOS now and those updates are more likely to break than anything on Arch. which NixOS it's pretty much a monthly thing where you'll update your flake and some random dependency for Krita or like Steam just won't work anymore therefore those programs won't work (but that's easy to circumvent thanks to flake locks) I never had that issue on Arch. I HAD many issues with Fedora just straight up breaking the entire system if I happened to uninstall the the wrong thing.
With the Archinstall it's even easier than ever to install it. I think the hardest thing is if you're installing via wifi just remembering the commands for that. now Archinstall walks you through everything, even lets you select a DE/WM and installs sane defaults with it. Arch is fine, it's easier than ever. Dare I say it's easier than something like Void or OpenSUSE tumbleweed (dreadful installer)
Agreed. Fedora killed itself with the very first update I did after installation. Arch never had any issues in the 4 years I've had it. And Archinstall has gotten really good recently.
I like to do a fresh install once a year. So even though im not currently on Arch btw, my longest install was about 1 year.
only issue that isn't (mostly) my fault is my screens sometimes just turn off and i have to restart the pc. probably an issue with my gpu and not arch tho
an update only ever bricked my pc when plasma 6.6 launched. i was on cachyos and it worked perfectly again when i went back to arch
No recues in two years since I booted it the first time. Shit's smooth on different hardware without any fiddling. Windows taught me good to be a bit more cautious and curious, so with a system that doesn't explicitly fight me or wants to do thing behind my back, I feel way safer than before. Like, I started to regularly seek new updates via yay, it's something you don't hear from a windows boy. Minus one year on Mint that borked itself on update a couple of times, I had no previous Linux expirience.
Windows taught me good to be a bit more cautious and curious
Doesn't it normally do the opposite for most people?
feel way safer than before. Like, I started to regularly seek new updates via yay, itβs something you donβt hear from a windows boy.
Yep, eager to upgrade, when it's not stuffed down your throat when you don't want.
Could be telling us all something important about freedom... ;D
Windows taught me good to be a bit more cautious and curious
Doesn't it normally do the opposite for most people?
Almost guaranteed it does, especially if you can throw money at the problem, but a combination of general annoyance && subpar hardware && wish to play heavier games and launch heavier apps has a diceroll chance of pushing a person into inspecting what's going on under the hood. With w11 being itself and hardware prices skyrocketing, I hope many would get as angry as I am to get into that. Upgrading to a new laptop for the same price as the old one was never a worse decision that it is now.
The first line of my pacman.log file is from 2015. I've not had a need to change or reinstall
Arch is the most stable Linux I've used. The only problem I've ever had is not using one for long enough that the keyring and mirrors were stale, and that wasn't difficult to fix.
it's fun just typing yay into the terminal :)
yay -Syu, it sure is.
Or was. I stopped using artix when the AUR troubles upticked.
You don't need the -Syu flag. It's implicit when you just type yay.
Woah
My arch install is usually stable, the last issue I ran into was pretty recently, where it decided to build the initramfs without usb drivers, because I have a usb drive as my primary drive it then proceeded to be unable to boot due to that drive not being accessible.
Before that it was running without issues and semi-frequent updates for 1.5 years tho
im curious, why are you using a usb drive as primary?
That sounds like asking for trouble
Cause stupidly, it's faster
I got a nice nvme drive back when they were pretty cheap, but my mainboard only has a Sata m.2 slot, which I neglected to check cause I just thought m.2 is m.2 at the time, so I got an external case and put it on a 10G usb c Port instead
That sounds about typical for what I imagined.
Thanks for the reply,
right in the middle of my imagined bell curve of answers.
Running an update in a background tab, forgetting about it, and closing my laptop lid mid-initramfs generation has caught me out a couple of times. Recoverable with a boot disk. Apart from that, Arch has been rock-solid on multiple machines for years for me. Recommend it to anyone.
Me personally has never been failed by arch in a couple of years. But I've recently argued with someone who went "I wanna auto-updates and also no problems ever", so guess things are wildly different for different folks
I removed windows after their EOL announcement for windows 10. I chose mint at first and then migrated to endeavor. Endeavor was as easy to install as mint and it better suits my needs.
From the outside, freedom always looks like chaos.
I had one Raspberry Pi that needed to be hooked up to a monitor after it failed to reboot after an Arch kernel upgrade. The device name for the Ethernet card changed, and the netctl setup I was using to set up some route or other no longer worked.
In my years of using Arch that was literally the only problem.
I've had pain with several Debian upgrades, mostly due to exim4 becoming more strict and me actually having to learn something about my email setup. Also an issue with a Debian upgrade changing Dovecot version. Neither really avoidable by Debian, but it was not less painful somehow than Arch.
Actually this reminds me of why I moved to Arch on Raspberry Pi. I had a SD card go bad, and ext4 just happily used corrupted data. I wanted to switch to btrfs, which I could do with Debian, but any time Debian updated the kernel it wiped my setup and I had to do work to get it booting again. Arch supports btrfs out of the box and has worked smoothly and easily.
Still running since 2020. No face plant, yet. It's the most vanilla Arch + KDE install though so I don't know what should be breaking.
I upgraded yesterday and now I get games lock up on my PC.
No, I don't have an Nvidia GPU
Do you get excessive RAM usage?
I've had three hard system crashes because something spawned an endless amount of winedbg and conhost.exe processes until the memory is full and I can't figure out why.
I don't think so, I have a daemon which kills processes when I'm running out of RAM and swap, but since I upgraded to 32 GB I never had it get triggered.
I'd have to find some time to troubleshoot this, however I assume it's a recent system update I did which causes those lock ups
Been on arch on multiple computers for at least 15 years. Personal and work computers. It just works. Although it's for competent users and that might be the issue most people have with it.
I've destroyed whole system by accidentally deleting the var folder and still recovered it without backups.
I've also had a computer without updates turned off for more than a year and it also still worked just fine when updating and reading some quick things on the news page.
I've used many ubuntus on work laptops and other distros before arch and they just would eventually break or get into a Frankstein state that there was no way out without a full clean reinstall. Never again.
The "Frankenstein state" is why nowadays I avoid traditional distros, Arch included. Traditional distros use something that programmers call the "imperative model". Basically, it means that you define tasks as a sequence of steps. But these steps have to account for infinitely many scenarios.
Every new version of a package adds some files, deletes some files, and runs some commands. Imagine you left your PC off for a month and now you need to upgrade a package from version 1 to version 10. The system has to figure out which files from version 1 can be kept, which files need to be installed from version 2, which files from version 3, etc, and then how to combine the commands from each version. Maybe it messes up and forgets to clean up a file or two. This might not be an issue now but over time these inconsistencies accumulate and the system diverges so far from mainstream that it breaks.
The modern atomic distros like Bazzite, use a model called the "declarative model". Instead of defining sequences of steps, you define the end goal. The system ensures that the final state matches the goal. Every update, is equivalent to re-installing the system from scratch (with clever optimizations so you don't actually need to re-download the whole system). Everything is consistent with the mainstream, and stays consistent, all the time. You can just turn on automatic updates and forget about it. No need to read news or release notes or PKGBUILD files. It is extremely robust and reliable.
This declarative model is what major cloud infrastructure has been moving towards in the past 20 years. Docker, Terraform, Gitops, IaC, etc. This is why the modern distros like Bazzite like to call themselves "cloud native" distros. These distros follow the same update model as major cloud infra.
Don't forget CoreOS and MicroOS.
Once the last 2 or 3 years I've had to manually fix something to keep the updates coming.
It's less than other distros I've tried. But that may say more about the other distros than arch.
Not much has changed (also Arch always had an installer one way or another π). I've managed to keep it going till the machine wasn't needed. Rescue boot was needed like 5-6 times over 15 years, I think. Most problems with Arch come from being hasty or not being able to read. One of the harder and more involved processes and problems to solve was updating 6 years old abandoned install, took a few hours, because arch archive is pretty slow sometimes.
The only component actually fucking up boot has been the NVidia driver. Otherwise, Arch with testing repos has never failed me for years on many devices.
Can't say I've used Arch as my primary for very long periods but whenever I have used it as my primary there hasn't been a lot of issues for me.
Never had to roll back kernels, never really had any major issues that I know I didn't cause or could be traced back me doing something, things were pretty smooth. There was some hurdles but they've gotten easier over time with the distro itself becoming a bit easier too.
But I guess I've gotten that Linux intuition over the years.
Last time I had it not boot after an update has been years ago, it just works these days.
To provide an example from the debian world: I tried running Debian testing on a desktop system around 15 years ago. Lasted maybe a couple of months before it broke into a state I couldn't rescue it from. Now, I didn't have much Linux experience back then, but I also think that Debian isn't as user-friendly as Arch when it comes to update instructions for its rolling releases (testing and sid/unstable). Maybe there's a mailing list somewhere, but mailing lists are generally also pretty arcane. Plus there's lots of outdated info and dead links on the Debian wiki.