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[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 153 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I know this is a meme, but for the record math is one of the things LLMs are famously worst at

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Can confirm; I teach statistics and allow take home exams. I don't even really need guardrails on the math-- if you cheat via LLM, your answer is almost always hilariously wrong.

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[–] Gormadt@slrpnk.net 45 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yesterday I literally had to count 14 thousand pounds of fire extinguishers (as in count each extinguisher in a bunch of crates), one of my coworkers came over and said "Why don't you just use AI to count them." They then pulled out their phone, took a picture, asked AI to count them, and was off buy almost 60% on the first crate. Then went "oh, well that's just one example,"

They then tried 4 more times, being between 75% and 50% off each time. They then went "Oh, well, ummm, nevermind." and wandered off again.

(I had to count the extinguishers to make a Bill of Lading for them for shipping them out, you need an accurate count otherwise it will be held by the shipping company until you provide a correct BoL with the correct count due to legal reasons. I couldn't just weigh them and divide the total wieght by the weight of a single extinguisher as they were a bunch of different sizes mixed together. NGL it was the easiest money I've ever made at the at job.)

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

$10 says they still think AI is great at counting things.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Every single damn time someone tries to do this, its the same result. its so annoying.

The moment someone starts a sentence with "why dont you just" JUDO CHOP is usually the best answer.

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

NGL it was the easiest money I've ever made at the at job

Easy money for you. For me that work would have been torture.

[–] Gormadt@slrpnk.net 17 points 5 days ago

Oh it sucked for sure, I kept getting interrupted which meant whatever crate I was counting at the time had to be started over.

But the biggest perk was not having to deal with the other idiots on our loading dock for the entire time I was counting.

Though I've joked about it in the past I really should get a shirt that says "I'm trying to focus on my job, please don't distract me" or something like that.

[–] ruan@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, but most of the paid "LLMs" are not actually just LLMs, they have specific aritimetic modules that end up being activated for most math questions that actual LLMs suck at, however are pretty easy for arithmetic modules, like simple calculations, unit conversions, etc...

So yeah, any edge "LLM" tool currently will always get the original question asked here CORRECT even on the free tiers, you can test it yourself on Google Search itself in "AI mode", on ChatGPT, or DeepSeek...

So you are technically correctly in saying that LLMs suck and cannot be trusted for math in almost any case. However you are wrong on implying that ChatGPT, or other commercial models are just LLMs, they are not.

P.S.: I'm not condoning the use of AI to resolve math related questiona, nor saying that their replies should be trusted, just stating the fact that actual "AI" products use more than just a large language model to generate their responses, and for math related questions most "AI" today will get arithmetic question answered correctly NOT DEPENDING on having training for the exact questiona being asked since they can identify a math arithmetic question being asked and instead of trying to fully generate the answer with the model itself, which would lack the training data to be able to process such wide range of possible question, they generate placeholders internally and let a arithmetic like module do the calculations, which take negligible processing power to be cacoulated by CPUs.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The question I have to ask is, computers have been doing math since the very beginning, and now we are wasting a shit ton of resources (and giving every shred of info to billionaires so they can hold it hostage) to do the same math even worse when that is what the computer was designed for. Has everyone forgotten the purpose of the computer or something? I feel like I'm taking Crazy pills.

Almost everything llm supercomputers do has already been done. It is the least innovative thing. If you take ANYTHING and shove a trillion dollar supercomputer at it, of course its going to be surface level impressive to simpletons. I just do not understand any of the hype. Its not exciting or new. Hell, vr was more interesting than this and that had already been done decades before the oculus and index popularized it. I'm real sick of these bandwagoners pretending they know tech when all they know is corporate overlord advertising.

Not ranting at you ruan but just screaming into the void to be ignored by the mass populace, as per usual.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 170 points 6 days ago (14 children)

A bidet, you should buy a bidet.

[–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 86 points 5 days ago (3 children)

And use a calculator ffs it comes free with whatever device you’re using to ask a chatbot.

[–] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

People have to know how to create the math problem then. Schools are really falling down here

[–] despoticruin@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

It's funny how often these are the same people that complained about math word problems and extracting formulae out of them in school.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How do I type the prompt on the calculator?? I can only type numbers???

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Heehee you can type words, like

8008135

:D

[–] protist@retrofed.com 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 58 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I just got into a little spat with my friends fiance because she intellectually offloads with AI.

I stand by it.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The number of people I know who now ask AI instead of web searching is... very upsetting.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't help that web search is shit nowadays

[–] arin@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That might be intentional and also coz of the shitty ai blog/info sites

[–] natecox@programming.dev 12 points 5 days ago

In the case of Google it is very much intentional, and documented. Good search means fewer search attempts and that means fewer displayed ads.

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[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If you search Google just serves you their AI shit. The other day their AI told me the word "rainy" has 4 letters.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 days ago

It's does have 4 letters. It has 5 letters too.

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[–] not@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Poop at work, get paid while pooping and use free tp.

[–] TwistedTurtle@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Their tp is all scratchy and thin though...

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And now you have 35 papercuts and shit on your hand

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That comes out to 0.004242 per doubled-up 2-ply sheet vs 0.004 per 3-ply sheet

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"You've spent 3x the theoretical savings asking me this question"

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Over what time period though?

[–] AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago (4 children)

You guys don't have unit pricing? In Australia it's required by law that supermarkets show price per standard unit of measurement so you can easily compare

[–] awfulawful@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 5 days ago

We do! What's really helpful is many products of the same category are in different units. One will be per sheet, one per roll, one per 100 sheets, one per 500 sheets... and then the true thickness is completely different, so 1 ply for one brand will hold up ok while another will start disintegrating the moment you pull it off the roll. Do you feel free yet?

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[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

Butt sprayer ftw

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (11 children)

This actually isn't too hard to solve. Double the value of each option by removing the folding requirement from the 2-ply and halving the price of the 3-ply to get an even comparison of 2-ply (330 sheets for $0.70) and 3-ply (300 sheets for $0.60), then recognize that it's not worth adding 1/6 the price for 1/10th the sheets, to see that the 3-ply option is better.

By the first sentence, you’ve already done more problem solving than an LLM-brained person.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Two ply 70¢ / (330/2) = 0.42 ¢

Three ply 120¢ / 300 = 0.4 ¢

Basically the same.

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[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Water just use water you noobs. Didn't gtp tell you?

[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago

Llms will discourage bidet usage so they can use the water instead

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

If chatgpt knows about something is about water usage.

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[–] dil@piefed.zip 10 points 5 days ago

Its extra fucked because the sheer amount of money ppl at the top have now, like the gap is getting bigger and bigger, why is everyone still broke, how do they benefit from ppl not buying things, like my walmart is full of expired sht all the time now, way less traffix

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I shit and shower at work, not simultaneously though

Tap for spoilermost of the time

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