I just finished that 5 part YouTube by Comedy Without Errors series. Terrifying.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLog1D93gwEerd3KgO730aYbdmOO_0kHX_
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I just finished that 5 part YouTube by Comedy Without Errors series. Terrifying.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLog1D93gwEerd3KgO730aYbdmOO_0kHX_
Can't recommend this series enough, does it need to be over 5hrs, not really, but it does paint a very thorough picture of the whole timing of Louie's misconduct and his response to being exposed
Can you summarize it? I'm interested, but watching a five hour YouTube series is something I will never do at any point in my life.
Basically compares the allegations as detailed in the initial reporting with jokes, podcast, and radio appearances that Louis has done in the past as well as his actions and statements after the allegations were made public. And the obviously biased and very condensed version i can give you is that there are several stories he told on opie and anthony about events that bear enough resemblance to the allegations to determine that there are likely more victims who have never come forward and never been recognized and that Louis has been working to minimize how this negatively impacts him without ever going so far as to actually try to make amends with the women he abused.
If you are tempted to watch some I'd say start at the beginning and around the first time you catch yourself thinking "this fucking guy" after a clip of Louis telling a "funny" story on a podcast back before the allegations came out, then you've got the gist and the rest of it is just stacking more receipts
I guess I watched a different special. I chuckled a few times but thought he was a shadow of his former self.
It sounded more like a guy harassing the nurses at the care home than a comedy special.
Just taking this opportunity to remind everyone that Louis C.K. has never made any tangible steps to make amends with the women he abused and yet he still goes on podcasts and talks about how the reporting on his sexual misconduct damaged his life and reputation as though he is the true victim
Source? From Wikipedia:
Both Corry and Schachner stated that C.K. privately apologized for his past behavior several years later.[142][144]
In response to The New York Times reporting, C.K. released a statement apologizing and admitting guilt, writing, "These stories are true" and saying that while he initially thought "it was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first", he went on to express remorse, stating, "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly."
Yeah out of all of the people, Louis has done his best to make amends. He did wrong, but we shouldn't shame someone for apologizing and doing his best to make it right.
I loved his comedy before, and was heartbroken when I learned. I payer close attention to it. I believe what he said, he never even considered or thought about coersion, that the women weren't comfortable. He learned he was wrong and not knowing wasn't an excuse. Out of everyone, we should hope more men learn from Louis. He took the hard but honorable path. Is he fully redeemed? Only he can know, but he's working on it.
I disagree. Firstly, if you want a masterclass on repentance, see Dan Harmon's apology. Made actual tangible steps to better himself, and devoted an entire podcast episode to apologizing, and spent about 0 seconds of that podcast feeling sorry for himself or lamenting that he got caught, or complaining about the financial effect it had on him. Plus, he doesn't deny the story of the woman he harrassed.
None of this is true for Louis CK. He says "everything they say is true", but then every chance he gets on his gigantic public platform, he repeats the blatant lie that he got consent. He didn't. In none of the women he harrassed's stories, he asks for consent. They deny that he asked for consent. All of them. And in his "apologies" he keeps repeating that he asked for consent. That's not an apology, that's just a lie.
His "apologies" are mostly made up of three parts. The first is a sneaky denial of the victim's stories, the second he spends some time complaining about how this makes him feel, and how it affected him financially, and that he's looking to get back on top of things and better his situation. And then the third is where he explains that there's nothing he can do to make the world tangibly a better place (like, idk, staying the fuck away, donating to a charity for victims of sexual assault, trying to do anything to fix the careers he destroyed), and that all he can really do are these vague platitudes that help no one like (I wish I were making this up) "shaking one hand at a time".
It's hard for me to think of a worse realistic public apology. Maybe "I didn't do it, but I'm sorry if you feel I hurt you" although that's already pretty close to what Louis CK is doing.
Dan Harmon really is the gold standard on how to deal with that situation. I especially appreciate how his work after the fact is so heavily influenced by the changes he's made to himself.
Just going to add on, that in the YouTube series linked above that there is a direct comparison of how Loius and Dan Harmon both handled it and that you've summarized the differences quite well
This guy did a very long series of video Essays about why Louis behavior post accusations isn't so black and white.
It's very long though.
I'm sure it isn't, nothing like this ever will be anything but shades of grey. Thanks, I'll check them out
I think he makes some very good points but I also think it could have been about 1/3 as long if it was better edited.
"without asking first" they said no, by the way. and he sexually harassed them anyway. he specifically crafts his words to make it sound like he got consent, when he very much didn't
they said no, by the way
I haven't heard this story. You got a link?
whoops my bad, i think i misremembered that they said no. they were stunned into silence and then he did it anyway. and then claimed that he always asked first, in order to minimise his responsibility.
In that case I think you should edit your comment to reflect that. Not least because this is apparently an "all claims, no sources" type of subject.
They didn't said no, they didn't say yes either. And he took the lack of negative as consent. He was wrong, and has since recognized as much and promised to be different. Dude is a creep but he is not nearly the worst. He has always agreed with the victim's recollection of the events and haven't tried to twist their words. He thought it was OK and he got consent, didn't realize he was wrong until later. In the history of the Me Too movement, he had the best reaction one could hope from an aggressor.
I have seen him on a few podcasts talking about his shame and steps he has taken to realise the full impact of what he did and how he has changed
Your comment does seem to confirm TheBlindPew's point, that it's all about him. Did he apologize to the women?
I mean in fairness he was the one on the podcast and was potentially asked about it... I have no idea what he did or didn't with the women but I would hope he has tried to apologize personally
He did. Multiple times from what I understand.
From everything ive seen he's not actually apologized TO the women he abused, he has only ever really made public apologies where he says "this is all true, i thought I was okay by asking for consent beforehand" when there is credible reporting that on multiple occasions he did not even bother to ask for consent.