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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Any government that can financially profit from its prisoners also has an incentive to imprison more of its population.

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, the government isn't profiting from it. Its the people running the government who are invested in private prison companies are personally profiting from it. Along with their golf buddies running said companies.

Privately run prisons as a for profit business is a crime against humanity.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The government would have got a payday when they sold off the prisons in the first place.

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 131 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Not only do I think non-incarcerated felons should have the right to vote, I think currently incarcerated should as well. Hell, set up a voting location in the prison.

[–] Klear@piefed.world 70 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's how it works in most civilised countries.

[–] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's how it works in ~~most~~ civilised countries.

[–] Klear@piefed.world 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I added the qualifier mainly because of New Zealand. AFAIK the country has otherwise its shit together.

[–] ProfessorHoover@infosec.pub 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

New Zealand also lets the team down by allowing medical advertising. IRC it's the only country other than the US with prescription medical advertising.

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That is how it works in a democracy

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Even better, let's stop doing prisons

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Certainly cutting back 9 out of 10 prisons is a good idea. I don't object to the idea that there is a certain amount of people who need to be removed for their own and the public's safety.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

I'd settle for getting rid of for profit ones

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago

Start with getting rid of private prisons, and then go from there

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Especially since those states are counting those prisoners among the residents in the census.

The entire fucking point is to get the benefits for those additional people, while not having to worry about them voting (likely against the people who put them there)

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

Important distinction, the census counts the prisoners as residents of the county in which the prison sits. The prisoners are almost always already residents of the state. It’s called prison gerrymandering, and it unfairly advantages the county and districts in which the prisons lie, almost always rural and almost always to Republican advantage.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

Us people: criminals shouldn't be allowed to vote!
Then proceed to vote for and elect a criminal.
Then they do it again. Just because.

[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

More fun facts, slavery is still legal in the USA (for prisoners) and the USA imprisons a higher proportion of its population than any other country. The ruling class just makes everything illegal and enjoys unlimited slave labor!

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago

They intend to greatly increase the use of prisoner slave labor, and will be using it to punish political prisoners they have labeled ANTIFA terrorists, just for posting messages like this one.

They want to identify everyone on the Internet, not so they can keep children from learning that boys and girls have different genitalia, but so they can find the ANTIFA Terrorists, imprison them, take away their right to vote, and then lease them out to Sociopathic Oligarchs for whatever dangerous, unregulated work they need done - mining, environmental clean-up, construction, roadwork, crop harvesting, etc.

All those jobs that immigrants used to do? ANTIFA Terrorists can do them.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

An imprisoned felon has no voice, but a free felon can be president.

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A lot of world leaders are criminals.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 6 points 4 days ago

Indubitably.

[–] PenguinMage@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Funny enough according to many states can't vote. But somehow can be voted for. But I've been informed by my eldest sibling that I have some sort of thing they call TDS and I don't give enough of a fuck to care about what stupidity that means.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I agree with the sentiment, but were prisoners able to vote, prisons would get gerrymandered to hell and back. That said, they should still be able to.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I think you're touching the heart of the problem: the US election system.

Yeah that just means that gerrymandering is the problem.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In Sweden, prisoners keep their home address and vote in their home district.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

To be fair, Sweden's prison system is more progressive than the non-imprisoned experience in some countries.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 3 days ago

If anyone needs representation, it's prisoners.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Currently it depends on the state/district.

https://legalclarity.org/in-what-states-can-felons-vote-state-by-state-laws/

Only the District of Columbia, Maine, and Vermont allow people with felony convictions to vote at all times, including while serving time in prison

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 7 points 4 days ago

Good for Trump that DC is on the list, otherwise he should have trouble voting.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Lee Carter is a former Democratic Socialist member of the Virginia House of Delegates (2018–2022) who actively championed prison abolition and criminal justice reform.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago

red states use prisoners as part of the census, so they can maintain the gop house seats in thier states.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago

One of the many ways in which those in power in the US systematically enslave and disenfranchise people of color to this day.

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

You got that backward, chief.

It's not a coincidence.

It's literally the point.

[–] Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Switch to Scientific Socialism. Problem solved.

Also quit letting any 2bit idiot have a say on what the country's policies are unless they're qualified to be in that conversation.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Also quit letting any 2bit idiot have a say on what the country’s policies are unless they’re qualified to be in that conversation.

That is such a tempting setup...

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[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

MAGAs looking to make trump derangement syndrome a mental illness.

mark someone as mentally unstable > hall them of to an asylum > drug or kill them under wraps

america has no idea what its dealing with.

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