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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 260 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Reason n+1 for me being thankful for switching to GrapheneOS.

[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

How’s the app support? I want to switch if/when the Motorola phones come out, but I’m wondering how many of my apps/services I’ll have to abandon.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 74 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

Almost everything just works after installing sandboxed Google Play Services. For a few apps you have to tweak a setting to turn off some of GrapheneOS's exploit protections. But I've found very few that refuse to run, and nothing indispensable. If you don't like your main profile having Play Services you can set them up under a second profile or a private area and keep the apps that use them away from your main profile.

[–] Aedis@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The other thing that might be a dealbreaker for you is no contactless payments with things like google wallet will work. But you could always just attach your credit card to the back of your phone and :tada: it works again lol

[–] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Contactless payments technically work fine, just not via Google Wallet. Banks that have their own tap to pay app usually don't have that problem.

[–] lundah@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

You must be lucky to have such banks in your country.

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[–] inari@piefed.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Some bank apps may not work, but you can check by searching for you bank name + GrapheneOS

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[–] chamomile@piefed.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Doesn't help if someone you're talking to has it on. And unlike Zuck's stupid glasses you won't even be able to know unless you ask every single person you talk to first. This sucks.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 111 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Welcome to your "I only buy vintage tech" era.

Mine started when 3.5 mm audio jacks started disappearing. We all draw a line.

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[–] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 90 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Motorola needs to release those GrapheneOS compatible phones now 💀

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 73 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The people who called me crazy because "there's no way your phone can be listening in on you all the time" are the same people who are going to be the most excited about this "feature"

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How did these people expect "Hey Siri" / "Hey Google" to work?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (19 children)

Im a perfect world, as they claim, its a secondary system listening that isn't recording or transmitting anything, and is meant to be low power. If it hears the wake up word, it wakes up the other mic and starts recording.

Thats how they claim the smart speakers work anyway.

This would be different.

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[–] SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago

Fucking yikes

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Constant surveillance 😡

Audio memories 😍

[–] meejle@piefed.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

BIG BROTHER IS ~~WATCHING YOU~~
HELPING YOU REMEMBER YOUR IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 59 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If a song isn’t recognized, a short digital fingerprint may be sent to Google to securely search the cloud. Background conversations and audio are never sent to Google.

And, of course, Google will honor this and any other setting, as always, right? Right?

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

As soon as they got away with "federated learning" (basically use your phone to train ai then just phone the results home rather than your data) 🤢 they knew they could just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until they have it all

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I already get "random" ads for things that were only part of a verbal conversation that happened to be near the phone.

What I want is a physical kill switch for the mic and camera, less surveillance not more.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 22 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

That's been happening for well over a decade now, and while "respectable security researchers" call it bullshit... there's simply too much anecdotal evidence for it to happen organically.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

The reality is they don't need to listen.

They have so much data on users.

  • how old you are
  • where you are
  • what you last bought
  • when you just bought it
  • who you are near
  • what they bought
  • what the people around you are searching and what ads they are seeing
  • what is being bought and sold by everyone around you
  • when you sleep
  • what you eat
  • the things you are chatting about on MMS
  • where you go
  • when you're home and when and where you work

It just goes on and on and on.

People think they are unique but they are not as unique as they think.

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[–] nevyn@slrpnk.net 50 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Interesting how the majority of the comments refer to you being monitored on your own phone, ignoring that you will be monitored on everyone else's phone as well.

[–] oats@piefed.zip 44 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Illegal in Germany. You may not record conversations, if you try to enter something like that as evidence you'll get punished as well.

I suspect there are many countries with laws like that, and if your phone actually disables the feature when you enter them or just let's you hang to dry...

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[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 43 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Honestly, I thought they already did that.

One of my motivations for becoming more privacy minded, was the amount of times a subject of conversation was delivered through an algorithm later.

It was creepy, talk about hose pipes> receive hosepipe content/ads.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 weeks ago

Um, oh fuck no.

The reams of personally-identifiable information that will leak is insane.

We're not allowed to have Siri and Alexa listening when we're working, lest a stray word on a phone call from the home office risks a privacy breach.

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 weeks ago

I saw this title and immediately said "fuck off" then clicked, and ..glad to see OP sharing my immediate sentiment.

[–] DrakeAlbrecht@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Aaaand it's Niantic all over again.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 30 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Any soviet officials still alive must be going crazy: "wait, they actually pay to be surveilled???"

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

JFC, I don't need tech tracking every goddamn word and fart.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS, asap Pixel owners.

Thank me later.

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[–] c64z86@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This would be such a cool thing, too bad it will only be used to scrape our data in order to sell us more ads. There are far too many technologies and concepts that have been ruined already due to bloody greed.

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[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago

Do not want

[–] webkitten@piefed.social 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Thank god I have Graphene.

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[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Dumb phones are about to start trending more and more every day.

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[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This will be quite illegal in all countries and states that require 2 party consent at minimum.

Incoming Google lawsuits in 3, 2, 1.

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[–] LievitoPadre@feddit.it 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I believe that the idea is genuinely good; however if you think about all the data that leaves your phone and that can be used for tracking, spying and so on, it gets disgusting.

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” — Mario Savio, 1964

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is really about training AI, isn’t it. They’ve tapped nearly all the sources of human text output already, so now they want to create as much more of it as possible, as quickly as possible. They will tap into conversations and use it as a new data source, mark my words.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

OK, how do you disable it permanently? Besides Graphene or mobile Linux?

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[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's easy to imagine scenarios where something like this could be useful. Sometimes very, very useful. "Hey Google, I spent the last 20 minutes speaking to a police officer, be sure to keep and transcribe all that."

But no one's going to trust it (no one should trust it) because it's offered by a big tech company. "Of course this new service is designed to be used against us," we correctly assume.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Google: sorry, we work for the police, so that audio was not recorded.

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[–] kayohtie@pawb.social 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Even if no one else could access it because it stayed on my device, I'm sure it'll be used for categorizing "advertising cohort" stuff again.

It sucks having to be so skeptical. With my severe ADHD something like this would be enormously helpful for remembering conversations others I talk to remember just fine but I don't.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I already have a voice recorder app on my phone, thanks.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago

I love the idea. Having a sortable, searchable list of everything that hits my plate day to day would be an awesome boon, I simply don't want anyone else to have that data :(

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago
[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Because they weren't already listening in?

[–] lemmelemmy@feddit.org 17 points 2 weeks ago

They don’t need to hide it anymore thanks to all surveillance legislations. So it can be marketed as feature.

Really looking forward for graphene firmware for Motorola phones.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

So what could be a really useful thing is now just a 24/7 surveilance device that will record everything, even when you have sex, when you talk about fantasies and so on.

I guarantee you that in no time the justice department will be interested in having access to all that

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