Seize the Memes of Production
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
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I can never quite get used to how easily they go mask-off.
He & Wikipedia were constantly begging for my donations. I finally donated to Wikipedia yesterday.
Who is asking for more imperialism?
This just seems to be an explanation of the details of the deal. What specifically are you referring to here?
Not to mention that political pundits don't typically share the views of ordinary Americans.
I think most Americans are happy to see the war, which they never supported to begin with, coming to an end.
So is Trump and his do nothing Democrats going to cease operations in Cuba, Venezuela, Greenland, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Alaska, Mexico, Lebanon, Yemen, Afghanistan, Japan,
Who is asking for more Imperialism? And are they saying the deal doesnt favor america enough, or are they criticizing the murderous dictator of the USA that started a needless war "in order to" obtain these terms that are objectively worse for the USA compared to what we had before the war?
It's both. I mean you just did it here yourself. The only part of the deal that directly affects the US is the reparations. Everything else isn't bad for America; it's (correct me if I'm wrong) good for Iran. These are not the same thing, and mixing them up is exactly what the meme is talking about. I've seen plenty of complaining about how the deal doesn't accomplish US strategic goals in the region (i.e. imperialism) like stopping Iran from financing its proxies.
I don't understand, it IS literally bad for America. But from your/our perspective who cares? You're gloating, and thats fine, your viewpoint is vindicicated, America just tripped on its own dick. The people will now be 300 billion poorer. So are we wrong to point out that by hoisting our own petard, as a country, we will be bearing a consequence? Or do you simply seek to frame literally anything Americans say, even the conciliatory, even the materially correct analysis, as imperialism?
The people will now be 300 billion poorer.
If that was the only major complaint I wouldn't have posted this, but again there's plenty of grumbling about how Iran isn't going to be sanctioned or how they can keep this or that thing. The only bad thing happening to America (other than paying a whole bunch of money, which is again its own thing) is a weaker strategic position in the Middle East. And that's the thing: Wanting a deal that protects America's (in practice meaning the American ruling class's) interests in the Middle Eastern at the expense of the people actually living there is the very definition of imperialism.
I suppose the problem is I get badjacketed very often on Lemmy for takes like "not everyone in America (including the people in detention camps) deserves to die because some people made bad choices" and "war crimes are bad no matter who is doing them", yet I am rarely interacting with libs or fascists, so if they're out here bitching that America's dick got stepped on too hard they are just not on my feed. I dunno why you would go to Lemmy and choose to interact with those people. Some of these posts seem designed to start fights with invisible people. Everyone should know about blocking users and defederating intolerable instances.
Honestly, it sounds like you're talking to Americans who don't realize we haven't won a war since World War II. Since that isn't that obscure a fact to anyone who studied any history, you're wasting your time talking to them.
I dont see how Iran getting to toll an international straight that at least 8 other nations have a valid claim to is bad only for the usa. Its a wrench in the whole world economy as resources that are used by the whole world move through there regularly. Its not imperialist of me to think of global economics, is it?
The MOU specifically forbids tolls. Iran seems to be taking them anyway, but that's more on America's unwillingness/inability to enforce the agreement than the agreement itself. That said all of Hormuz is inside either Iranian or Omani territorial waters, so if both sides agreed they could legally do whatever they want with the strait.
I dont think you are actually against oppression, just the united states.
I, like any self-respecting leftist, am against both oppression and the United States. Hope that helps.
Interesting, then, that you have shown support for Iran and Oman taxing the straight at the detriment of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain directly, as well as its global effects.
The status quo, in the case of the straight of hormuz before Isreali/US aggression, was beneficial to every country across the planet. I lament that the new deal Trump is signing is demonstrably worse for everyone everywhere except Iran, and as you mention Oman. Yet im accused of supporting Imperialism, by you, a supposed leftist who seems to be celebrating Iran gaining the opportunity to do some Imperialism by taxing the straight.
Interesting, then, that you have shown support for Iran and Oman taxing the straight at the detriment of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain directly, as well as its global effects.
I don't in fact support that (at least not without qualifications), but also you're overestimating the impact any such tolls would have. The $1 per barrel Iran proposed/collected way back when aren't actually that much compared to the price of oil even before the war ($60-80 per barrel). Again I don't support it, but it's also not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I lament that the new deal Trump is signing is demonstrably worse for everyone everywhere except Iran, and as you mention Oman
Again, the deal specifically forbids collecting tolls. Iran is doing that anyway, but nothing Trump signed says Iran gets to collect tolls on Hormuz. Iran is collecting those tolls in violation of the terms they signed in Islamabad. If your problem with the deal is the status of Hormuz, then it straight up doesn't exist.
You're literally just lying about the tolls. The deal includes that Iran will be processing a fee for passing ships, but not indicating what service they are providing. Thats a toll. Most importantly, it wasnt there before, but now will be due to the atrocious actions of trump and Netanyahu.
You sure? Can you quote the part where it says that? AFAIK Iran is just asserting that they can do that.
What an odd thing to assert if they dont plan on doing so
This is just propaganda
Uh... what? No really, what?
Well, all political memes are. However, this one lacks a foothold in reality, like the most egregious of propaganda