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macOS 27 requires Apple Silicon, as Apple draws down the Intel Mac era (arstechnica.com)
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[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Just a quick heads up for those planning on installing Linux on their Mac. There are about three types of Macs: Intel Macs, T2 Macs and Apple Silicon Macs.

  • Linux should work fine on Intel Macs, but some people at least seem to have problems with the Touch Bar.
  • T2 Macs are a flavor of Intel Macs. If your Mac has T2 chip, you must use T2Linux flavor of your distro. The overall experience might not be perfectly smooth, expect some issues with at least Touch Bar, suspend and connectivity. Some fixes should arrive later this year, as far as I know.
  • Asahi Linux currently supports M1 and M2 Macs. M3 and M4 are unsupported.
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Honestly Linux desktop is in such a good state these days that I have absolute zero care what happens to the rest of desktop ecosystem. If you're looking to get away from macos then just do it - get linux with gnome and you won't regret it. If you're moving from windows get KDE instead but both are incredible desktop environments that are far ahead of competition.

[–] tomatoely@sh.itjust.works 25 points 22 hours ago

RIP Hackintosh 💔

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

At this point put Linux on them. There are distros that even look and feel like Mac OS out there too.

[–] spazzman6156@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

Why tf would you want to ruin Linux like that

[–] xSikes@feddit.online 13 points 1 day ago

Stop being so pushing with the 26.5 update on my my devices. Everyday multiple times a day holy fuck. I need Linux mobile devices.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

"Golden Gate"? That's the lamest name for a macOS release ever IMO.

Edit: As expected, half the page on Apple's website talks about AI with only vague things about performance and UI improvements. I'll be staying on Tahoe for now.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While I loathe AI bullshit, Apple is at least prioritizing local, on-device AI and end-to-end encryption with their cloud AI services.

I'll still be passing on any of this bullshit, but I appreciate that they tried to make a less problematic version.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

There's no on device AI in Apple land - what are you talking about?

Also literally everything is end to end encrypted in this niche, that's what s in https stands for.

[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What does end-to-end encryption even accomplish when you're just feeding the information into an obscured, blackbox AI on the other end?

Like yes, I understand the importance of E2EE, I'm just making a point, it's all rather ridiculous.

[–] msage@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you, this is exactly true.

Most internet things are E2EE nowadays, but it matters not when the other end is AWS, Google, Cloudflare, or OpenAI.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Supposedly Apple claims to encrypt it at rest and in transit.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

But data goes to the mothership anyway.

'Bad actors' can't read your chatgpt conversations either, but OpenAI still does and can sell it.

Apple may better than Google, but I still don't want my data there.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Yeah also Prism - hello? Over 10 years ago we discovered that US can just enter any US based company's server and read anything they want unless it's directly encrypted but for these tools to function they have to decrypt data server side so LLMs can read the contents. Which means your data is not private in any way shape or form, not from Apple and not from US and not from anything in-between.

These claims by Apple are absolutely meaningless smoke for the ignorant who just follow tech buzzwords.

[–] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The WWDC presentation yesterday was hilarious. Almost everything they said about the UI could be boiled down to: "We're undoing some of the incredibly bad decisions we made last year. Not all of them, but some of the big ones!"

They then went on to demo the new improved Siri, and as someone who doesn't use Siri, all I could think was "wait...Siri couldn't do this 10 years ago?!"

What a sad state of affairs.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

It was incredibly tonedeaf. AI is not what people want, Tim.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It looks to me like the main draw is performance optimization especially on older devices, which is a fantastic thing for them to focus on IMO.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I'd hope that's the case, and I hope it's geared towards base M1s and such as they need it the most. Maybe they're improving RAM management to improve performance on the Neo.

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Good thing almost all flavors of Linux run flawlessly on the x86 models.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

T2 Macs are a flavor of Intel (x86) Macs, and they require T2Linux flavor of Linux.

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Meh, I've only had trouble with TouchBar MacBooks: because TouchBar, sound and webcam processing are delegated to a secondary chip, they do not work natively on Linux.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

If it's T2 Mac, you should use T2Linux. If it's a non-T2 TouchBar Mac... Maybe something in the T2Linux wiki helps? At least on T2 Macs, certain modules needs to be loaded in specific order, or the TB won't work.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

As someone who owned a touchbar macbook - I see no loss here lol

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

True but also sadly as all the new models are a struggle to get working. So locked down they will likely end up much more in the landfills.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

My daily driver is an M2 Macbook air running Asahi Linux. There are certainly some hardware parts I wished worked better right now, but its fully for my needs usable as is. Improvements are occurring regularly by the development team. Apple hardware really is solid, and I'm very happy that in the rare cases I do have to use a commercial OS (Netflix streaming for example), I don't have to use Windows. Its a dual boot machine (Linux/OSX).

Overall I'm pretty happy with Linux on this M2. Theres a handful of us here on Lemmy running it. You can find us at !asahilinux@lemmy.world

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[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought they already did that a few years back?

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 22 hours ago

Very few Intel devices supported Mac OS 26. They’d been winding down supported machines for a while before that.

[–] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

they just used their own arm chips, but didn't require them for macos until now. that meant up until now you could still use older intel macs with the newest macos version, but won't be able to do that anymore starting with 27. only apple chips will get the newest version.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is one of the reasons why I stopped buying Mac's.

Apple talks a lot of trash about windows and Linux, but both offer far better long term support

[–] amgine@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Win 11 required TPM 2.0 (even though they went back and forth on it). That’s essentially the same thing, and Apple supported intel for a lot longer than was expected

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

They stopped selling the last Mac Pro and mac mini 3 years ago.. So literally, their top end computer had 3 years of support of the latest OS (if you bought at the end of the cycle). And, they pulled this same BS from PPC to Intel, so, its not the first rug pull. And, its not like Windows hasn't maintained excellent backwards compatibility otherwise (they still offer windows 95 backwards compatibility in a lot of cases in the latest OS). In fact, if your computer supports it, you also got a free upgrade to Windows 11 .

In this case, the Intel Macs include a T2 chip, so, its not like there is a valid security reason to break MacOS.. They literally just blatantly screwed them (the Mac Pro was NOT a cheap computer).

Coincidenally, MacOS 27 beta breaks Linux too. https://www.phoronix.com/news/macOS-27-Beta-Breaks-Asahi .

[–] amgine@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Has it really only been three years? I was thinking it’s been six, but you’re right. I had to double check Wikipedia. I did read on HN that the asahi issue is a bug and not intentional.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

They started selling 7 years ago the Mac Pro.. but, only stopped selling 3 years ago apparently. Microsoft offered 10 years of support for Windows 10, and Ubuntu even offers 15 years.

Apple generally classes their products vintage after 6-7 years..

Normally, I'd say "fine", but, this is now the second time they've done this within 20 years (they did it with the PPC -> Intel too), and the exact same way, and not all new apps are generally backwards compatible with the old CPU architecture either. So realistically, a lot of people are forced to upgrade regardless.

The Mac mini.. Fair enough, its cheap. But, the Mac Pro was ridiculously overpriced (even the wheels cost $700 lol). You had to even pay extra money for 3 years of HARDWARE warranty.

The reality is, nobody knows is the Asahi breakage was intentional or not at this time. All we know is that Apple has contributed absolutely sweet F*** all to asahi Linux (despite it benefiting Apple primarily). The timing is interesting though..

[–] kobra@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

I have a 2019 MacBook Pro and stopped updating it at Sonoma. The new OSes are just too much for that Intel chip anyway.

The M-series processors are amazing though, I've had such a good experience with them.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah, say what you will about Apple, but they really nailed the M processors.

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