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Capitalism works just fine. Look at Denmark, Sweden, and Germany. They are all deeply capitalist countries with billionaires and a wealthy upper class. The difference is that their governments are heavily focused on welfare and social programs that actually work. That is not socialism.
Here in the United States, we have largely eliminated competition in many industries, and we all know how America's social programs compare.
For now. Let them have to fund a military and shake off Russia, China, and Israel influence on a daily basis.
Those countries are just behind the usa. Once they start going broke they will eat their own just like us.
Germany is going downhill. Right wing parties are gaining traction because dumb fuck people are voting against their own best interest.
Welfare will ultimately deteriorate
the point of electing a democrat isn't to fix capitalism: it's to try to make the decay slightly slower.
It's buying time to organize, for real this time!
but only if it’s for a no kings protest, so only like on a weekend, when the weather is nice, and does’nt stay too late, and doesn’t inconvenience the police, and only that one day, and we don’t allow people to protest with their firearms, and we don’t make any demands, or specify a thing we want changed, and don’t interrupt traffic, nor stop people from entering protested buildings, and we remain respectfully quiet, and the news won’t report on it, and i can still go shopping after, only then will a protest be acceptable.
… and the goal is to maybe get people to vote for the party of normal socital harm escalation
When we did it on a weekday they laughed and said we had no job and regular people said it should be on a weekend.
Eh none of this matters. MAGA are funding buses of people to protest where they want while claiming everyone else pays for buses. We are fucked because we let them fuck us.
Something something Ted Kaczynski manifesto
also known as the Unabomber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
I don't know what you mean by "something something" though 😅
Capitalisms ultimate end is the control of all resources and natural systems, to be consumed and used by whoever owns everything for whatever purpose their ego demands. It's just extreme narcissism as an economic system and the ultimate destination is human extinction. Which, maybe isn't so bad.
If Netflix had a show called “hunting oligarchs”, the world would show up to watch.
I mean close your eyes and 'lalala' whatever you want vut if you haven't seen the pattern over the last 12 years maybe you never will.
Loads of people who vote Democrat are well aware that capitalism is fucked and has only ever worked for the rich. Voting for a Democrat does not imply agreeing with every party decision.
The question is whether you agree with harm reduction, accelerationism, or nihilism.
From a harm reduction standpoint, it makes sense to elect the imperfect candidate who will at least try to make things a little better. This is the same thinking that makes things like needle exchanges a good idea. Yes, maybe it would be better if no one were addicted to heroin, but given that some people are it's probably be better to reduce the likelihood that they become a vector for blood-borne illnesses.
From an accelerationist standpoint, it makes sense to elect the worst possible candidate in the hopes that it's jarring enough to get people to change the system. This approach of making things better by making things worse reflects the conservative tendency toward punishment as a solution. If addiction is punished and demonized, people will have a strong incentive to avoid addiction.
From a nihilistic standpoint, it makes sense to refuse to vote for anyone you don't fully agree with. Participation in the political arena can be disregarded. This approach reflects the perspective that consequences don't mean anything, so we might as well all share the same needle because it's easier.
Personally, I find harm reduction to be the most beneficial option.
Is extending the life of capitalism really considered harm reduction? I bet more people suffer in the long run with no healthcare and constant wars.
Only if they keep making people
I mean, you're right in the general sense, though OP's quote does say, "liberals", not, "those who vote Democrat". So the implication is clearly pushing against people that think Democrats are a good choice and not simply the lesser of the two evils.
100% agree, although the post said nothing about voting
These motherfuckers would forcing HepC needles on every junkie if they could.
If the Dems get a trifecta do not expect them to do anything meaningful, say it all takes too much time, and just shuffle chairs around.
Which is not ideal, but better than setting fire to everything...
The earlier we deal with the fire, the better.
But do rest assured, that fire is coming. You’re putting it off and letting it gather strength. It may just consume us all now.
If by meaningful you mean socialist revolution, then no, and nobody expects them to. However there are things to be done better within the system and it's something we need to do anyway
Like arrest all sitting maga in government, and do the needful to the pedophiles in power.
Because anything else is just letting pedos destroy your country and rape your kids.
We had a Dem president after an insurrection attempt that did nothing to go after those who organized it. I doubt they'll go after the system as it is unless we get more progressive candidates in.
I always love when someone thinks the answer to problems usually being replied to with overly simplified (but wrong) answers is another equally simplified answer that surely explains everything.
The post doesn't even formulate an answer. It just discredits the two "standard" answers provided. Why is everybody in this thread arguing with some strawman
Why is everybody in this thread arguing with some strawman
because OP provides 3 strawmen,
Noone wants capitalism to start working again.
We want to stop having a government that wants to murder minorities in the streets you dumbfuck
The delusion of Americans is that their country is the entire world.
No other country has Democrats and Republicans, it's a uniquely fucked up American thing that is a lot, but not a democracy
we think we are the center of the world because the entire world loves our culture, clearly, or Hollywood would never be as powerful as it is.
Turn the tv the fuck off for once and show me I’m wrong.
Third parties don't win presidencies... they win city councils, state legislatures, and governorships first. That's how political movements actually work. But posting about it on Twitter is probably fine too. #socialism
No nuance allowed! We good they bad! Fuck everyone who disagrees with me!
Is that what the post is conveying tho? I know there is a lot of discourse like that on Lemmy, but I don't see it here. Feels like a strawman
The Delusion of this guy is he thinks not voting is going to help him.
Hey Einstein, you've got a pedophile for president whose policy resulted in millions of deaths by starvation after USAID was cut, environmental policy which is literally decided by oil companies, dismantling of public land protections, gutting of SNAP and Medicaid, the foreign policy stance of "if I can kill people and take it I will", all because more than 6 Million People who voted for a Democrat in 2020 decided NOT to show up in 2024.
You're about as socialist as a hooker on crack.
OP's quote doesn't talk about voting except ONLY in saying that 'liberals' think voting in a Democrat will fix things.
It says nothing about what the 'correct' answer is for them, and your angst is aimed very poorly.
I think getting semantic here is a trap, it's still serving the purpose of casting doubt on the system. Great most days, but when an election is looming this is wrecker shit.
Think the usual 'Democrats are terrible too' schtick doesn't actually work well on Lemmy broadly but now we're going to see things like this where people will start picking apart the words of the text and claiming it isn't what it is.
We're all, mostly, at least a good decent number of us, adults who have seen all this shit before. Yes they said liberals, liberals are centerist poo-poo-ers who want their status quo and don't want to be associated with bad press but not much else, fuck em. But also, Capitalism isn't going to be fixed any time soon, in the meantime, however, one party plays host to at least some number of people trying to actually improve the lives of their constituency and for fucks sake you can't tell me they're just as bad as the partyconsisting exclusively of people openly looting and pillaging the entirety of the nation for personal gain and bald faced cruelty.
Just downvote OP and keep an eye out for people trying to bait.
Again, OP's post says nothing about what the "correct" answer is.
They do not even specify something along the lines of voting for the lesser of two evils. It's a nothing-burger but insulting idiots that act like idiots, and ya'll read what ever the hell you want into it... Sad.
The only people who deserve downvotes are those reading things that are not written there.
It's going to be capitalism. The question is do you want American capitalism that's free for all, or European capitalism with worker benefits and healthcare?
European countries are installing austerity policies left and right, and have been since the 90s. They're absolutely barrelling towards the American model in gutting their welfare states. The underlying forces that move capitalism in the direction of deep inequality[1] are endemic to capitalism itself, and are also present in whatever flavor of capitalism you subscribe to.
[1] In short, an outsize influence of the owning class through threats of capital flight, direct lobbying, and owning the media that informs the opinions of the electorate, combined with their ability to expand this influence. This is measurable. There's a 2014 study which shows that the positions of US politicians are pretty much exactly those of economic elites, and coincide with the wishes of the middle and working class only ever by accident (when it coincides with the wants of the economic elites, pretty much). Similar studies exist (with the same result, to be clear) for pretty much every western european country, in particular Denmark, the Netherlands, and Germany (but also others). Tfw your "short footnote" is longer than the comment itself. I feel like a regular David Foster Wallace.
What you mean is social democracy, or could also be called Keynesian economic policy. The US had it too post-WW2, there's nothing European about it. Some European countries still have remnants, but by and large we have been moving away from it too :(
I'm not sure I would agree that Democrats care about worker benefits, tbh.
Mmmm yummm delicious capitalist realism.