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[–] MasterNerd@lemmy.zip 8 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The fact that they managed to convince the US that people working a fast food job don't deserve a living wage while CEOS are making millions to billions is utterly insane.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

I remember all the conversations I've had that started with the other person saying, "Can you believe so-and-so gets paid $x million dollars for playing [sport]?!?" and ended quickly with me asking, "Can you believe the owner makes $X million dollars for doing NOTHING"?

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

While inflated CEO pay is certainly outrageous, it's the people who own the businesses that we should reserve our most vitriolic hate for. After all, at least CEOs do work that marginally contributes to the running of enterprises. Shareholders do nothing except siphon profit away from the people who create it. Not saying CEOs are good, but let's not get shortsighted here: the entire system of private ownership of the means of production is what needs to change for things to get better.

[–] Hoodoir@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I don't think the negative sentiment for unskilled labor positions getting pay increased that equals skilled labor is out of jealousy but out of the skilled laborer now being undervalued. If I got a pay cut equal to an unskilled position while I'm an engineer, I'd be very unhappy that all my time, learning, and productivity in my field would essentially equal to the same value as a job a fourteen year old can perform. If unskilled labor increases in value, then skilled labor should as well. Why would someone bother trying to waste the 10 years to become a licensed surgeon when he could just move pallets in a warehouse for the same money in this scenario? Some labor is skilled and specialized and therefore rare and valuable. Some labor is dangerous and life-threatening by nature and therefore rare and valuable. Different careers/jobs/positions pay differently for a good reason most of the time. Linemen can die in a flash of light any given day and therefore I think they certainly deserve more than I make because of that because I certainly do not want to do that job. If unskilled jobs became so well paid that it equaled skilled jobs, no one would bother wasting the effort to get the credentials to do the skilled jobs and then we'd be out of engineers, doctors, lawyers, mathematicians, physicists, chemists, oilfield workers, etc.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If the rising floor makes things cramped, it is time to raise the roof not break the floor.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Or probably my favorite political quote ever for its combination of both ideology, practicality, AND brevity:

We all do well when we ALL do well

(Paul Wellstone, emphasis mine)

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 18 hours ago

A rising tide lifts all boats.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm retired from a union IT job with a college. And now that I've got mine, I will go to the wall to help Gen Z and Alpha get theirs too.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 19 hours ago

THIS is why the right is so afraid of union culture

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

If a bunch of burger flippers started making what I make I would demand a raise. If my raise was denied I'd go get a job as a burger flipper and probably be a lot less stressed out than I am currently.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fast food work is pretty stressful, IMO.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It can be but it's a different kind than what I'm dealing with though. It's repetitive busy work and stupid scheduling bullshit vs. big projects that go on for months with deadlines and coordination between vendors and half a dozen internal teams where nobody wants to take ownership of anything. Fast food work never kept me up at night.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Get a union job, and you won't have to take your work home either

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

We take our work home because we're thinking about the problems and how to solve them all the time, some of my best solutions came to me in the shower.

I have a home lab and I often carry what I learn from my lab to work, I'm not working my job when I'm working on my lab, but there mental overlap is there.

I can't imagine I'll be solving many burger flipping problems in the shower.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Fair enough, if that works for you.

I enjoy the work/life balance too much, and love being able to leave my work at work. And being in a union makes that a reality for me.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

I don't know how being in a union would stop my brain from thinking about a problem I haven't solved in my work day... It's not my employer dictating it, it's my brain.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

No unions in my field as far as I'm aware.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago

Be the change you want to see in the world

[–] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

This. Having homework is stressful. Being responsible for the uptime of systems and the inevitability of getting calls in the middle of the night is stressful. Having stuff follow you home is a different kind of added stress.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If fast-food workers began earning wages comparable to electricians, I wouldn't necessarily expect electricians to become poorer. I'd expect employers who depend on skilled labor to increase compensation to remain competitive. The question then becomes whether those higher labor costs come from reduced profits, increased prices, greater productivity, or some combination of all three.

Anyway, it is better for all workers.

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[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the floor were higher for everyone, I wouldn’t see a problem with some jobs earning more necessarily. What you’re describing will probably always be with us: some work is just harder or less pleasant.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

Yes, to be clear I'm saying the floor being raised would be a benefit to me and others like me as well. Either I make more money or I can go to a less stressful job without losing income. Regardless of if it benefits me or not everyone should make a living wage for a full days work.

[–] BeUnique@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago

Anybody that's offended by burger flippers making as much as them should be pointing that anger in the right direction. Towards their employer.

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

“To succeed is not enough - others must fail.”

(Variously attributed to Gore Vidal and François de La Rochefoucauld)

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 108 points 2 days ago (19 children)

I’m a software developer. My old roomie is a truck driver. I’m devastated he makes almost as much as I do.

He has to drive a truck 5 days a week the entire year, no matter the weather. He deals with accidents, annoying customers, breakdowns, tight spaces, heavy goods. Workdays often drag out, and sometimes he didn’t manage to get home and had to sleep in the truck or at a motel. People are dependant on his work, if his truck doesn’t arrive, a store might not get food, and the attached community will suffer. He takes half an hour to commute to work.

I work from home. I have a few set meetings daily, but I schedule my time on my own. Three times a week I take some extra time to go for a run through the forest with my dog. I’m safe, my bed is always nearby. My commute is the thirty seconds it takes to crawl into clothes and to my office. If I miss my work we at worst have to delay a product launch by a little.

I’m happy with my pay, no doubt, and I wouldn’t want a pay cut. My friend deserves much more though. It’s bananas to me that he doesn’t catch up with me despite all the overtime and such. It’s incredibly unfair.

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I’m in software also and it very seriously bothers me that I earn about what any 10 of my kids’ teachers do.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Driving is the easy part. Finding a bathroom at 4 am on Sunday. Taking a break without someone asking you a question. Just seeing your family with energy after a 12 hour day. That's where trucking sucks.

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I’ve heard jr really takes a toll on your body over time. That’s true with so many jobs that are low-paid. It’s crazy to me watching people swing pick axes in the sun for shit wages.

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The truck driver's job is much harder to do day in and day out. It's also much more necessary. However, it's also significantly easier to train a truck driver than it is to train developers and there's no infinite upside potential for delivery like there is with software projects in some cases (unicorn startups) and there are so many other expenses to run a delivery company that a software company might not have that they need to run on pretty thin margins, otherwise we're all paying more for all of our food.

First job where I worked as a dev, they took on 3 of us on the same time, all entry-level. One of us was a physicist who was laid off by the university since the government reduced spending on academia. Absolutely an intelligent person. Didn't last past the probationary period, he just didn't get things naturally on his own, he needed a lot of guidance. Over the years I've seen that nearly half the people hired into entry-level roles don't learn to become independent enough by the end of their probationary period to be retained after it. Sometimes it's seniors too, they've worked at a place that just cranks out very similar solutions day in and day out (e.g only done frontend and only with one framework, or only a bunch of CRUD applications in one single tech stack) for like 7 or 8 years, that place has a downturn and then they apply for a job elsewhere and they just don't adapt.

Not everyone's cut out to be a truck driver either, but once someone has learned to drive trucks, they can drive trucks for another company too. Whether your new employee starts pulling in profit on the first week or you need 4 months to determine if there's a decent chance of them being a net benefit by the end of the first year has a lot of bearing on how badly you want to retain your existing talent.

Anyway, in my country only the top talent at a couple of companies gets paid significantly more than truck drivers. A junior developer might make less than someone who just started driving a truck. Places like the US just have highly inflated salaries for devs because they're expected to work in high cost of living cities and compete like crazy for their jobs.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 126 points 2 days ago (4 children)

My thing is I don't want to be on top. I want to live in a society where I can be on the bottom and have a good life.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 70 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I, too, wish I could be society's bottom...

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I don't mind being society's bottom as long as there's a safe word.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 46 points 2 days ago (4 children)

well I said can be at the bottom. Its polite to take turns.

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[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't want more or less than what the fare share of the economy Boomers had back in 60' and 70'.

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[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 70 points 2 days ago

And the union would have more justification for negotiating a new even higher wage then they currently have.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 days ago

When the minimum wage was instituted, the intention was one full-time worker would be able to support the family of four suburban lifestyle. They've been gaslighting us for a long time.

[–] Mowcherie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The health benefits and insurance can be sig ificant portion of pay. The min wage burger flippers likely dont get that, even with laws increasing min wage.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Employees like this are kept under the minimum hours to qualify for benefits on purpose.

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[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 53 points 2 days ago (22 children)

It's kind of sad that people are so motivated by jealousy. Like why would I care if other people have it better?

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If you want them to flip burgers for you, pay them what you'd want to make flipping burgers for them.

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