I don't think the negative sentiment for unskilled labor positions getting pay increased that equals skilled labor is out of jealousy but out of the skilled laborer now being undervalued. If I got a pay cut equal to an unskilled position while I'm an engineer, I'd be very unhappy that all my time, learning, and productivity in my field would essentially equal to the same value as a job a fourteen year old can perform. If unskilled labor increases in value, then skilled labor should as well. Why would someone bother trying to waste the 10 years to become a licensed surgeon when he could just move pallets in a warehouse for the same money in this scenario? Some labor is skilled and specialized and therefore rare and valuable. Some labor is dangerous and life-threatening by nature and therefore rare and valuable. Different careers/jobs/positions pay differently for a good reason most of the time. Linemen can die in a flash of light any given day and therefore I think they certainly deserve more than I make because of that because I certainly do not want to do that job. If unskilled jobs became so well paid that it equaled skilled jobs, no one would bother wasting the effort to get the credentials to do the skilled jobs and then we'd be out of engineers, doctors, lawyers, mathematicians, physicists, chemists, oilfield workers, etc.
Work Reform
A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
The fact that they managed to convince the US that people working a fast food job don't deserve a living wage while CEOS are making millions to billions is utterly insane.
I remember all the conversations I've had that started with the other person saying, "Can you believe so-and-so gets paid $x million dollars for playing [sport]?!?" and ended quickly with me asking, "Can you believe the owner makes $X million dollars for doing NOTHING"?
While inflated CEO pay is certainly outrageous, it's the people who own the businesses that we should reserve our most vitriolic hate for. After all, at least CEOs do work that marginally contributes to the running of enterprises. Shareholders do nothing except siphon profit away from the people who create it. Not saying CEOs are good, but let's not get shortsighted here: the entire system of private ownership of the means of production is what needs to change for things to get better.

If the rising floor makes things cramped, it is time to raise the roof not break the floor.
Or probably my favorite political quote ever for its combination of both ideology, practicality, AND brevity:
We all do well when we ALL do well
(Paul Wellstone, emphasis mine)
A rising tide lifts all boats.
I'm retired from a union IT job with a college. And now that I've got mine, I will go to the wall to help Gen Z and Alpha get theirs too.
THIS is why the right is so afraid of union culture
“To succeed is not enough - others must fail.”
(Variously attributed to Gore Vidal and François de La Rochefoucauld)
Anybody that's offended by burger flippers making as much as them should be pointing that anger in the right direction. Towards their employer.
If a bunch of burger flippers started making what I make I would demand a raise. If my raise was denied I'd go get a job as a burger flipper and probably be a lot less stressed out than I am currently.
If the floor were higher for everyone, I wouldn’t see a problem with some jobs earning more necessarily. What you’re describing will probably always be with us: some work is just harder or less pleasant.
Yes, to be clear I'm saying the floor being raised would be a benefit to me and others like me as well. Either I make more money or I can go to a less stressful job without losing income. Regardless of if it benefits me or not everyone should make a living wage for a full days work.
Fast food work is pretty stressful, IMO.
It can be but it's a different kind than what I'm dealing with though. It's repetitive busy work and stupid scheduling bullshit vs. big projects that go on for months with deadlines and coordination between vendors and half a dozen internal teams where nobody wants to take ownership of anything. Fast food work never kept me up at night.
Get a union job, and you won't have to take your work home either
We take our work home because we're thinking about the problems and how to solve them all the time, some of my best solutions came to me in the shower.
I have a home lab and I often carry what I learn from my lab to work, I'm not working my job when I'm working on my lab, but there mental overlap is there.
I can't imagine I'll be solving many burger flipping problems in the shower.
Fair enough, if that works for you.
I enjoy the work/life balance too much, and love being able to leave my work at work. And being in a union makes that a reality for me.
I don't know how being in a union would stop my brain from thinking about a problem I haven't solved in my work day... It's not my employer dictating it, it's my brain.
No unions in my field as far as I'm aware.
Be the change you want to see in the world
This. Having homework is stressful. Being responsible for the uptime of systems and the inevitability of getting calls in the middle of the night is stressful. Having stuff follow you home is a different kind of added stress.
If fast-food workers began earning wages comparable to electricians, I wouldn't necessarily expect electricians to become poorer. I'd expect employers who depend on skilled labor to increase compensation to remain competitive. The question then becomes whether those higher labor costs come from reduced profits, increased prices, greater productivity, or some combination of all three.
Anyway, it is better for all workers.
I don't want more or less than what the fare share of the economy Boomers had back in 60' and 70'.
The health benefits and insurance can be sig ificant portion of pay. The min wage burger flippers likely dont get that, even with laws increasing min wage.
Employees like this are kept under the minimum hours to qualify for benefits on purpose.
I’m a software developer. My old roomie is a truck driver. I’m devastated he makes almost as much as I do.
He has to drive a truck 5 days a week the entire year, no matter the weather. He deals with accidents, annoying customers, breakdowns, tight spaces, heavy goods. Workdays often drag out, and sometimes he didn’t manage to get home and had to sleep in the truck or at a motel. People are dependant on his work, if his truck doesn’t arrive, a store might not get food, and the attached community will suffer. He takes half an hour to commute to work.
I work from home. I have a few set meetings daily, but I schedule my time on my own. Three times a week I take some extra time to go for a run through the forest with my dog. I’m safe, my bed is always nearby. My commute is the thirty seconds it takes to crawl into clothes and to my office. If I miss my work we at worst have to delay a product launch by a little.
I’m happy with my pay, no doubt, and I wouldn’t want a pay cut. My friend deserves much more though. It’s bananas to me that he doesn’t catch up with me despite all the overtime and such. It’s incredibly unfair.
I’m in software also and it very seriously bothers me that I earn about what any 10 of my kids’ teachers do.
Driving is the easy part. Finding a bathroom at 4 am on Sunday. Taking a break without someone asking you a question. Just seeing your family with energy after a 12 hour day. That's where trucking sucks.
I’ve heard jr really takes a toll on your body over time. That’s true with so many jobs that are low-paid. It’s crazy to me watching people swing pick axes in the sun for shit wages.
My thing is I don't want to be on top. I want to live in a society where I can be on the bottom and have a good life.
I, too, wish I could be society's bottom...
I don't mind being society's bottom as long as there's a safe word.
When the minimum wage was instituted, the intention was one full-time worker would be able to support the family of four suburban lifestyle. They've been gaslighting us for a long time.
And the union would have more justification for negotiating a new even higher wage then they currently have.