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Here's a little schematic to understand the layout. Help me figure out this mistery, not only to satisfy my curiosity but also to know if the cats in my street are in any danger.

Before reading and to avoid triggering any of you, my cat is fine and he was asking for belly rubs in the sun on my backyard just now.

So, I live in the house with the backyard with the B. My cat occasionally hangs around my neighbor's backyard too. At curfew, if he's outside, I come calling and he comes in.

Last night I called him in the backyard at B and he didn't come but he was replying terrified. I know his meowing and this was "I can hear you, I'm scared, help me". I couldn't see him since only my backyard had any light. Every time I called he replied immediately in the same panic. That by itself wouldn't scare me since he's very anxious and easily startled. Once he entered the neighbor's house and got locked in and he was yelling for me from inside the exact same way. But this time was different. The sound came from the outside the house, somewhere around the circle in A. And always from the same exact place. It really seemed he was stuck, he was definitely not budging.

I went around the house through the empty terrain (blue arrow) with a flashlight to see if I could see him and figure what was wrong. As I started moving through the low vegetation I heard and somewhat saw some movement in C in the direction of the arrow. I called my cat again and he was no longer replying. I looked inside my neighbor's backyard and saw nothing.

I went back into the house. My mother was in the backyard (B) calling my neighbor. She said she saw nothing but heard a huge noise inside the house near the backdoor. The description of the noise sounded a lot like my cat running in panic. After a while looking for him inside and outside we eventually found him hiding behind furniture, peeking very cautiously. It took a while but he recovered. He has no injury or any kind mark of any struggle on his fur.

What I'm pretty sure happened:

  • He was around A completely terrified of something and was not budging
  • At the moment I entered the empty field whatever C was, it ran from me
  • Also at that moment, my little demon flew through the fences and into my backdoor so quick my mother couldn't even see him and made a huge noise running for his life (as he often does)

What I have no clue and want to find out:

  • Most important, what the hell could C have been?

  • Was my furry murderer frozen on fear or was something actually physically preventing him from leaving

  • How long was he "stuck" there until I came calling him for curfew?

Some relevant information and, since I know some you are against leaving your cats going outside:

  • My cats are indoor/outdoor, as most are here, and they can come and go as they please, though mine mostly stay inside and in my backyard. The cat in question explores just a bit more, but not much.

  • At night, they have curfew and are inside only, and they know that routine

  • It's a calm street and the cars are slow. Also, for specific reasons my cats are terrified of cars and they even hide when they hear an engine.

  • There are no known cat predators here. This is southwestern Europe in a 500k city suburb. There is a small woodland near here which I know very well and the most dangerous thing there is a hedgehog (I actually had one living in my backyard for a year). A fox is very unlikely since I never saw one here. But I have seen foxes in stranger places.

EDIT: Why does every post mentioning a cat outdoors has to be hijacked by the indoor cat fundamentalists? Really, guys? You have the right to your opinion and even to make your argument. But why you have to hijack every post to say your piece for the nth time? It's annoying as it is ridiculous.

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This thread and the "indoor cat" fundamentalists is rich... honestly it's like hearing eugenics people sometimes.

There are a wide range of options between "indoor" and "wandering mass murderer". Have the 'murriKKKans here ever heard of walking your cat on a leash? (Like, honestly. It helps so much with preventing them from going to places like Up The Tree, and they can enjoy the outside within a fair range)

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Obviously people are fine with cats on a leash ya dingus

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[–] slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

You really missed an opportunity here ba choosing B instead of T.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I know it sounds a bit dumb, given everything, but being able to let the cat go wander would be the main reason I'd want to move to Europe.

Where I live we've got packs of dogs, coyotes further out, and cars and assholes as far as the eye can see. Outside cats here live to two or three years.

I actually looked into it, but the quarantine is brutal. I just think it's neat y'all can do that.

Sorry that wasn't super helpful. You could always try sticking a go pro on the collar.

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I'm talking shit to the indoor fundamentalists here, but the fact is that, even here, it is more nuanced than that.

I'm very lucky since I live in a calm street. There are enough cars to not let my cats be complacent but they're slow enough to be avoidable. It also helps that both my cats came from the street and both have PTSD towards cars. You won't find them near one. Even so I try to keep them away from the front door where the road is.

My neighbors are also cat lovers and all of them are very tolerant of their antics. But I have friends who weren't so lucky, especially with black cats.

Also, I have no dogs near me. No wild animals or any possible predator. And my cats are coddled enough to not want to be far from the cuddles. They wait for me in the front door or go lie in the neighbor yard, but most of the time they're napping in the backyard or in the couch or following me and my mother around. I'm very lucky.

If I lived in an apartment or a busier road, or had neighbors I don't know or trust...I'm not sure I'd let them go out like this. But, then again, I wouldn't have cats in those conditions.

Even here, you have to look into the surroundings, evaluate the risks and make your own conclusion if it's safe to let them out. But you are the best person to make that decision, not Ashley Leash or Matthew Catio.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

So can I ask, what general area is this you are referring to, I'm in the woods up here in the US and I have coyotes and bobcats and shit, bears, few mountain lions moving it up north I don't know if they'll make it down here but we got a lot of woods. Also a lot of hicks with guns so there is that.

Cats die in the winter here. So we don't have that. We do have some Siberian Hogs somebody released, Ted nugent.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Keep your cats indoors if you value their health and respect your neighbors

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

or just appreciate birds.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Coddled cats can be afraid of any animal larger than a baby rabbit, it wasn't necessarily a rational fear. My last cat was afraid of a cat that was afraid of him, both were very cuddly wusses. When they crossed each other's paths, they'd both be stuck in place meowing at each other for a very long time, and my cat would ask for help when he heard us.

When the other cat wasn't afraid of my cat, things went differently: the other cat would silently look at my cat for a few minutes to take his messure, charge him, and my cat would go up a tree or come running to us if possible. No long standoffs, just a few minutes of noise (from my cat) and then flight.

Given how long your cat was trapped by this unknown animal, I suspect that your cat's adventure was probably a non event and that your cat was afraid of something that wasn't actually aggressive.

Foxes are everywhere in Europe, also in suburbs and cities. They're just nocturnal and there's not that many of them compared to house cats/dogs since they have to fend for themselves. Non sick foxes won't go out of their way to attack adult cats, even if those cats are afraid of them.

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 34 points 2 days ago (22 children)

Do we need a separate "Non-American Cats" community, so non-American people can ask cat questions without half the thread being derailed by all this indoor/outdoor argument?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Unless you're in or around Turkey, your cat is an invasive species that damages the environment. I don't care what your opinion is on the subject. This is a fact. I'm sure your cat is perfect and never causes any issues though.

You can be fine with letting your cat cause these issues. That's a choice you get to make, just as you can pour fat down your drain. You're causing a burden on others, but that's your choice. You can justify it however you like to yourself, but you're the human and you chose to have the cat. It's on you that your cat is an issue.

I live cats. They're great animals. They're also not a thing the rest of the ecosystem has adapted to handle. Once your cat is killed/eaten then the ecosystem is healing.

This isn't even mentioning indoor cats live longer healthier lives. Be selfish and keep them indoors.

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Do non American cats not contract FIV, get hit by cars, destroy the local bird populations, and have lower lifespans than indoor cats?

This isn't about America, as much as you & OP want to make it seem like. It's about doing the right thing for your pets.

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[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (11 children)

I'd like to defend the Americans who keep their cats indoors and strongly oppose outdoor cats. If you live in most areas of the US your cat has a good chance of being eaten by a larger predator. It's pretty normal for cats to be attacked by coyotes, bobcats, feral dogs, birds of prey and even raccoons. All of those predators and worst of all humans in cars, we have a lot of them and we go fast. I am part of a couple community FB groups and they'll get a post a week of a dead cat found on the roadside. If it sounds like our roads are just covered with dead animals, you are right. There is death on every shoulder.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 2 days ago

All cats should be indoor cats. Even if there are not predators, they can be and disrupt the local bird and lizard population.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yes. Cats here should be indoor cats. Even in the city there are raccoons, coyotes, alligators, dogs in people's yards, and CARS. I let them out briefly and supervised, sometimes, to catch a lizard if they are watching them out the window. Or as others say, occasionally on a harness to wander the garden, and eat a little grass.

Obviously that's not always possible, there are feral outdoor cats that sometimes show up, the city has a spay/neuter and release program for those.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago

No! You don't understand! The cars here drive slowly, and pookums can recognize the noise!

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Nobody has a problem with Americans, Australians, New Zealanders etc keeping their own cats indoors - and in fact would likely support it in areas where they're not a native species, or you've got dangers like those you outlined - the same as it's supported in areas here in conservation areas, or areas with rare birds nesting.

The issue is the aggressive, abusive behaviour of those hijacking every thread which has a cat in someone's garden, and insisting everyone else does the same in countries where cats have free-roamed and been part of the native ecosytem for a few thousand years.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Definitely sounds like a chupacabra encounter.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

New big neighbouring stray that bullied your cat. Cat often will not move from another cat, and will have staring competition with them, but this time the competing cat might be larger so your cat is afraid but will not budge because that cat will give chase if he run. Cat will often run from any other animal but not cat, they will have a staring competition.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 60 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

In North America I would guess coyote, in Europe, I would guess a fox or feral dog chased him until he found somewhere to hide from it.

Could also just be another cat. Big Tom cats have a tendency to chase other cats around.

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