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Last October, Ron, a 55-year-old construction analyst for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), was furloughed for 43 days as the Trump administration took a sledgehammer to federal agencies’ budgets under the Department of Government Efficiency, an initiative led by the world’s richest man, Elon Musk.

“We voted for Trump, not realizing that he was going to slam as hard as he did, but it was on day one when he sat down, right after inauguration, and started signing those executive orders and just trashed us federal employees, it was a kick in the teeth,” Ron said.

“If people would just listen and research and do something other than just listen to Fox News, we may all be better off, but it's going to take an open mind and an ability to say, ‘I made a mistake,’ because once you say you made a mistake, you can turn the ship around,” said Chrissey Kelley, 50, a stay-at-home mom.

Speaking out against MAGA cost the Kelleys relationships with friends and family members who support Trump, but in sharing their story, they hope to inspire others having doubts about the GOP. 

“It's okay to be wrong. You made a mistake, it was a bad choice, but it's not the end of the world. We can fix it. We just got to ride it out and hold strong and support each other through it,” Ron said.

. . . Chrissey said she became a Republican as soon as she started voting.

“You were just a conservative. There was no thought behind it. You listen to Fox News, and you listen to conservative outlets, and you're spoon-fed,” Chrissey said.

Ron, who served in the military for 25 years, said the 2008 housing market crash left him “really disillusioned with the Democratic Party.”

When he couldn’t find work in Detroit, he moved to Georgia. He supported Republicans because he associated them with bigger spending on defense.

Ron said he supported Trump with donations, bumper stickers and the “whole nine yards” of MAGA.

“I bought into the lie about the stolen election and all that, and I thought January 6 insurrectionists were actually patriots,” Ron said.

“I just remember being content with thinking that he was what we needed, and he was going to drain the swamp in Washington until he got into office this third term, and realizing that I was dumb as a rock, and I believed everything that I was spoon fed.”

. . . “Just watching the policies of what's happening in our world today unfold one by one by one, I just started drawing up very different conclusions and found out that I was clueless, and most people are today, but now I'm awake and looking at it for what it is, and I cannot believe that he had my support,” Chrissey said.

“It's lie after lie after lie.”

Ron said he now votes for Democrats, and Chrissey said she considers herself an Independent but has voted for Democrats three times now, something she “never thought in my entire life” would happen. 

“The road we're headed down now, if we don't turn this truck around, we're so close to going off the edge of the cliff that we need to stick together,” Ron said.

“We need to put our country back together. It might take decades, but don't give up. We need to be vocal. Stay strong, and follow our laws and Constitution, and hold strong with our values, not the values that the MAGA claims that we have, but the values that we've had in the past 250 years from the founding of the country til Joe Biden's era.”

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I see a sudden turn towards socialism in his future....

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Was? Nah you just jumped ship because it affected you negatively. You still dumber than a rock drooler.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

100% this. If he didn't lose his job he'd bend over backwards and take more of it.

Ron, who served in the military for 25 years, said the 2008 housing market crash left him “really disillusioned with the Democratic Party.”

When he couldn’t find work in Detroit, he moved to Georgia. He supported Republicans because he associated them with bigger spending on defense.

He was so upset at the Democrats for the 2008 housing crisis (Which was caused by private equity, not the government, also remind me who was the fucking president in 2008? I seem to have lost my memory on that /s) that he moved to the south and supported increased spending on the military and defence instead of checks notes FUCKING HOUSING.

Fuck this absolute twat.

Ron, who served in the military for 25 years, said the 2008 housing market crash left him “really disillusioned with the Democratic Party.”

I lost it at that. The market fucking collapsed while Bush was president. That's some genuine "everything I know is from watching Focks Nooz"

[–] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. These people were inundated with powerful propaganda and influential family structures and managed to escape it. MFing these people and calling them twats isn't going to win their hearts and minds and working people need as many allies as we can gather against a billionaire class that continues to tighten their grip.

I'm just as frustrated as you and people like them voting these ghouls into power is the reason they're in power, but they speak some truth here and maybe they can convince some of their maga family to change course.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are big fans of spending on housing, not since the Red Scare of the 1950s. Investments in public goods carry a faint odor of socialism and are therefore verboten in the United States.

The (Republican-led) government did play a role in bringing about the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis: George W. Bush's administration successfully lobbied for the abolition of regulations which had previously prevented people with insufficient credit from getting a mortgage approved.

But of course the right wing narrative held Jewish bankers at fault for inner city types defaulting on their mortgages, bankrupting Lehman Brothers et al. Not a combination of deregulation and corporate greed.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

So NOW he regrets it, now that it affects him. Well too late now the country is destroyed. Does he really think the next person coming in is going to give away all that power. Sure things will just go right back to normal.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Wait a minute, I hadn't read it until now.

Ron, who served in the military for 25 years, said the 2008 housing market crash left him “really disillusioned with the Democratic Party.”

Who was in office when this happened, you stupid fuck? Was is a man named George W Bush? Was he a dem? I don't appreciate the dems (they don't do anything but perpetuate the status quo; I want socialism), but this man betrays his lack of thought with that quote.

Ron said he supported Trump with donations, bumper stickers and the “whole nine yards” of MAGA.

I always found it funny that stupid people sent money to "a rich guy" for the first campaign. Of course, his many failing businesses don't matter after the graft of his second term. Whether he was close to insolvency or not, he's got a lot of money now.

“I bought into the lie about the stolen election and all that, and I thought January 6 insurrectionists were actually patriots,” Ron said.

"I thought stupid, violent criminals were good people. Like the guy wearing the Auschwitz tshirt who was in a lot of media."

realizing that I was dumb as a roc

Oh my fucking god, he said exactly the thing I said about some other right-wing assholes!

The wife:

I just started drawing up very different conclusions and found out that I was clueless, and most people are today, but now I'm awake and looking at it for what it is

No, most of us aren't. You're just a fucking dumbass. Others read and learn and check facts and verify what people say. I'm not clueless. There's a lot that I don't know, but I am not someone who just listens to a blowhard and nods my head like you did. Wait, let me put gauze on my ear to show support for some jackass who loots my country because I don't know what's real and what's not. We need a ballroom!!!!

Ron said he now votes for Democrats, and Chrissey said she considers herself an Independent but has voted for Democrats three times now, something she “never thought in my entire life” would happen.

Well, I'm sorry to say that the dems will disappoint and these people will return to fringe right-wing bullshit as a result. We need actual leadership and change. I voted for Bernie but he's retiring and even he wouldn't call out the genocide in Gaza (fuck israel). Give us people who want to upend the system to take care of people and tax billionaires, I promise they'll get votes. Instead, Chuck Schumer will blah blah blah blah blah and Nany Pelosi will retire on a pile of money.

"One of the Greatest Wall Street Investors of All Time Announces Retirement"[0]

  1. https://www.404media.co/nancy-pelosi-one-of-the-greatest-wall-street-investors-of-all-time-announces-retirement/
[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is the Trump administration the worst fascist ever? Their policies are very anti-ordinary people. At least most other fascists have "socialist" policies to appease the population for as long as possible. The Trump regime's broad policy, in every sense of the word, is "fuck you, got mine." What a baffling buffoon. But my guess is that Trumpian fascism is more rooted from American individualism; which makes Trump an outlier.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They’re speed running fascism, but they never finished reading the history on how those kinds of regimes ended.

Long live Caesar.

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[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 17 points 2 days ago

"Ron, who served in the military for 25 years, said the 2008 housing market crash left him “really disillusioned with the Democratic Party.”" ...what? How unaware does someone have to be to say something like that? The GOP took (literally) the WH and held congress for most of the years leading up to the '08 Crash. I mean, not knowing that the GOP are the ones that led us into the Great Depression (a feat they're about to repeat) is one thing, but this moron was alive and presumably can read during the events he is describing.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago

Great now we’re up to what 7 defectors? Just 70 million more to go.

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 148 points 3 days ago (11 children)

My favorite part was when he said they lost their home in the housing collapse, blamed Dems, and then voted Republican because....of spending on defence.

Defence spending doesn't help the housing market but you do you. At least they finally woke up.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Even NOW they still can't understand that the deregulation of banks which directly caused the 2008 collapse, was entirely Bush's policies... if anything Obama's bailout probably saved his home

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 49 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The deregulation of the banks started under Clinton and was finished under Bush Jr. It was unfortunately not only a GOP thing.

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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 74 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No, they didn't wake up.

They stuck with Trump through

  1. Child rape and trafficking with Epstein
  2. The subsequent Epstein cover up
  3. Felonly fruad
  4. Jan 6th insurrection
  5. Being the most drone happy president in his first term
  6. Unyielding loyalty to Israel
  7. Alienating US allies
  8. Destroying US international standing
  9. Killing countless with mass defending and killing of social services and aid
  10. The clusterfuck that was his handling of Covid, or lack there of
  11. The Epstein memorial ballroom
  12. The Arch De Epstein

Etc.

These people are still functionally sociopaths and fascists. They're just upset that now its affecting their wallets.

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 24 points 3 days ago

He's hurting the wrong people!!

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[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah I got pretty confused there. Wasn’t Bush president leading up to 2008 and the market crash? So it was the dems fault? Faux news has done an impressive brain rot.

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[–] rockandsock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

So he's woke now?

I guess better late than never, if it sticks.

Do the type of people who are so easily fooled by Fox propaganda run back to Fox the next time the Dems do something distasteful to them like raising taxes to feed school children or trying to achieve energy independence by moving from oil to solar and wind?

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 3 days ago

I promise they didn't stop believing terrible things. Don't consider these assholes "the good ones" or the ones "that converted". They hate people who aren't like them. They're probably racist (I don't know that). They're probably bigots against other religions (especially from Brown places). They just found out that the asshole they worshipped doesn't give a shit about them. They didn't become good people with positive values.

[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 44 points 3 days ago

Typical myopic stance. "I had no idea it was bad until it started to impact me." The complete and total lack of empathy from people is a core problem I don't care what political side you are on. How can you be so selfish to not think about impactful others around you? Do you live on an island of one? Are your fellow citizens nothing to you?

Social media has allowed us to slip even more into a solipsist mindset.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (7 children)

the 2008 housing market crash left him “really disillusioned with the Democratic Party.”

So the last year of Bush's second term. What a fucking idiot.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 39 points 3 days ago (11 children)

You know, it's great that they woke up at all, late as they are. Two less trump supporters, and if they can spread their story they might bring a few of their friends and neighbors along with them. Give them a place to vent their discontent without being shunned by "liberals" or brainwashed in maga echo chambers.

But I had to laugh at this:

Ron, who served in the military for 25 years, said the 2008 housing market crash left him “really disillusioned with the Democratic Party.”

Obama didn't even take office until 2009. What a dumbass.

[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Title should read "i am dumb as a rock" instead.

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[–] CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A kick in the teeth isn't enough for these idiots. They need to be kicked in the balls. Repeatedly.

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 69 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Oh, look who is having the day they voted for.

No sympathy. They voted for this piece of shit after the racism, misogyny, and pedophilia was all out in the open. It wasn't a mistake until it hurt you personally. Fuck you Ron and Chrissey. You learned nothing, and chances are, you'll vote for more of this in the future.

[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (17 children)

Part of the demagafication of America will need to include accepting those who want to reform.

[–] pageflight@piefed.social 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah — they caused a lot of damage and I'm not wasting pity on difficulty they've brought on themselves, but it's an important & necessary step for them to do a 180⁰ so I'm glad to hear that and will happily accept their help/votes.

[–] YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Words are cheap I want to see action from them otherwise I have no faith they have actually changed.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What are the odds this dude votes for Vance in 2028?

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

1,000,000% he is voting republican all the way down the ticket in 26 and 28. They won't learn, they won't change, they won't grow.

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[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I’m sick of sharing a planet with cave people

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 21 points 3 days ago (5 children)

People like this think politics are like their Jesus cult - if you repent then all is forgiven. Sorry dipshit, this is real life. You don't get a pass for apologizing and pinky promising that you'll never do it again. Fuck you. Go actually do something to work off the damage you've caused. It will never be enough of course, because the damage is catastrophic, but at least then you should be able to eventually earn a modicum of forgiveness.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (3 children)

“It’s okay to be wrong. You made a mistake, it was a bad choice, but it’s not the end of the world. We can fix it. We just got to ride it out and hold strong and support each other through it,” Ron said.

Absolutely astounding how Americans care NOTHING about anyone that is not themselves. The orange pedophile has literally been directly responsible for the slaughter of THOUSANDS and that fact does not even register with this piece of shit

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[–] FuzzyHerbivore@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Most of the comments in this thread show exactly why Europe needs to get away from the US as far as possible, even if they do vote differently next time. Everything is set up to be polarizing, nothing has more than two options... democrat/republican, left/right, good/bad, winner/loosers, popular/unpopular, smart/dumb, ingroup/outgroup... and once you're pigeon-holed you can't ever be rehabilitated, because the other side won't let you. Come to think of it, that seems like a side-effect of internalized consumerism, "Broken? No need fixing, just get a new one!". Combined with American individualism, staging and making a huge fuss about themselves, plus the lefty urge to feel intellectually and/or morally superior (while chanting slogans against hierarchies and classism LOL) they will never be able to reconcile and just swing back and forth between political extremes ad infinitum. That country is a lost cause for at least my lifetime, we need to find allies that can deal with grey areas and know how to fix things, including relationships.

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[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Congratulations on breaking out of the conditioning and cult, even if only recently.

You still voted for the Pedophile Party though. 3 times. Do better.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Zero congratulations. Fuck this turd and what he help create. This goes far beyond just America and his stupidity and utter ignorance and incompetence has affected the world.

He is the problem. Not just Trump or the GOP. These fucking idiot people who get to vote based on "feels" are the reason the whole fucking world is in this mess, not just the USA.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Has no job, struggling financially yet donates money to Trump who not only was a previous billionaire himself (was close to bankruptcy when he was running I think) but received donations from billionaires. Truely a new level of intelligence.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“It’s okay to be wrong. You made a mistake, it was a bad choice, but it’s not the end of the world."

Uhm about that ...

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[–] blackbearjesus27@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

He literally goes “this third term” at one point in the article. And that we need to go back to the morals this country had up until “Joe Biden’s term” He hasn’t learned a thing.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's heartbreaking that they only ditch maga when it negatively affects them, but yet wildly cheer maga when it negatively affects their fellow Americans.

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (4 children)

They'll be back. They'll vote Republican. They can't learn.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago

I knew the leopard was eating people's faces, but it wasnt until it started eating my face that i realised what an idiot i was.

Everyone kept telling me they ate people's faces. They told me this for 8 years. But despite there being documented evidence and first hand witness accounts, I didn't think it was that bad until they started eating mine.

Never, ever, underestimate Americans ability to turn lemonade into lemons.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Former cult members explaining how to leave a cult.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Sorry, not buying this at all. They knew Trump was a fraud and didn't care. It only got real when they got butt fucked without lube.

Running to the Democratic Party is not going to solve the problem even if it is a slightly saner choice. As long as we openly allow the wealthy to lie and manipulate people en masse there will be no real improvement.

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[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

All the things Trump is doing was laid out in Project 2025. I was begging people to read it and all of my mouth breathing friend just ignored me. I really don't have friends anymore and I am OK with that. This dumb fuck claiming he did know Trump would do this just ignored the warnings because he thought Trump was only going to fuck the libertards. So the leopard eats his face and he cries.

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[–] SethDove@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

"...until he got into office this third term".... Yeah, the brainwashing is still in there. I don't think this reform is going to stick.

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