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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Or shitty philosophy profs and their shitty students love oversimplified examples because they are easy to understand, than understanding the deeper social contexts and texts around which morality and moral disputes actaully constructed.

this type of 'moral problem' is actually specifically designed to be devoid of such context, because context is too difficult and fraught to deal with for the prof and the students, esp in a intro level coursework which in these idealized euristics types of questions that have little to no bearing on real world questions of how to treat others.

and all these type of question really is is just 'which is the lesser evil'.

and every corporate/applied ethics course is full of nonsense like this. because it's not about morality, it's about abstract problem solving and argumentation... which is precisely the approach that makes corporate management often so fucking evil towards human beings in general.

stuff like this essentially is teaching people that 'being good' is basically the ability to elaborating justify doing evil, or , worse, creating plausible deniability of your corporate or personal agency.

which is also, sadly, why it's so wildly popular.

[–] Impractical_Island@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Intention is all any of us control.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

that's what shitty evil people think.

they had good intentions, therefore whatever horrible things happened to their objective shitty actions, were good.

and if you dare to suggest they are accountable for their actions, to them its you who is evil.

No, that's what the Buddha and Jesus and countless others across countless worlds across countless eons have said. But you're familiar with phenomequalitesselation, yea?

I'm at least whipping my dick out, I'll tell you that

[–] imhungry@leminal.space 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Kinda weird how there's no "this isn't my business and there's no reason this should be my problem, I'm just gonna call the police" option in The Trolly Problem.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

because it's a game. it's not reality. it's like the prisoner's dilemma, it's also a game.

you are suppose to 'solve' the 'problem' within the defined rules of the game space.

[–] imhungry@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If it's a game, how come it isn't treated like a game? If I saw a guy tying people to train tracks I would probably call the cops because I'm not in a movie and I'm not about to lose my life for god knows why. If there was a big lever, I wouldn't pull it, because I have no experience with managing a train. That is legitimately the only realistic answer to this question. Most people are smart enough do to the same thing. Most people wouldn't even know what the lever is for, especially if they're in the middle of witnessing a murder. I'm sure most wouldn't have their best thinking cap on in that situation.

[–] ApertureUA@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My usual universal solution to most trolley problem derivatives is "do nothing and claim you froze in shock in court"

[–] imhungry@leminal.space 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well if you call the cops you've done all that is required of you. I guess you could also call the engineer.

[–] ApertureUA@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Call? The trolley is usually pictured right in front of everything.

[–] imhungry@leminal.space 1 points 5 days ago

Once you touch the lever you become legally liable.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You are a moral philosophy professor...

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You wish!

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Apparently I can put spoilers inside of spoilers!!
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[–] QueenMidna@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sadly the extra extra bonus doesn't get collapsed on all mobile clients!

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is it still collapsed the first time and it just uncollapses too soon along with the first button press, or does it never get collapsed at all?

Either way it's a fun little test that doesn't ruin anything... this time, so I'm glad to learn about it:-D.

Thank you for the feedback on how it looks differently to you than to me, that's neat.

[–] QueenMidna@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is what it looks like to me. Still a fun surprise but I wanted to warn you about it lest you come to rely on it

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

And I am so glad that you did, bc otherwise I might have!:-)

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This image I'm sure is burned into all of our brains :-)

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nah, my cat is in charge of it for me and fortunately he was hunting lizards that episode

Edit wait fuck that makes me orange help

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does this make it all better-er-est?

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

that is not a fish so no

edit DAMMIT STEVE

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

This is why everyone hates moral philosophy professors, Chidi

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Of course. But I would do it for the love of the game, not a paycheck.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

Well, if I do it, I'm now a Professor of Applied Moral Philosophy...

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

you are an economist. eliminating zoning laws and HOAs would make construction of houses cheaper, saving lots of people lots of money, but the construction companies would be less profitable. do you argue in favor of unnecessarily complex building codes sothat the company stays profitable at the expense of the population?

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That depends. How much is the population offering me to advocate in favor of them, and how much are the construction companies offering?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

what if it's the population who wants you to use the zoning laws and HOAs to restrict the supply so the value of their investment in their home doubles every 10-15 years?

and the developers have nothing to do with it. because waht they do is just build luxury housing now becaues it has a higher margin than non-luxury units, and you can only build a handful of homes each year in this town thanks to the zoning laws.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Gotta add on another level.

Zoning laws and HOA's give larger construction companies a significant competitive advantage over smaller companies. This limits competition and drives up the cost while also degrading the average quality of the construction as the larger companies seek to maximize profits.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've never seen an economist argue is favor of non-safety related building codes. Ever.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm an absurdist and I have a shitty degree in economics if you want to check something off your bucket list

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you can hold the mandatory economist's compulsion to be liberal for long enough to write a coherent argument for that intervention, I'm willing to count it and update my opinion.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

define liberal. i know seven definitions

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Somebody that defends personal freedom.

Okay, give me some time I am off for the night. Wait until I am high as fuck and trying to sleep or just had some good coffee and an empanada on... Friday?

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nah .... I just tie people to rails for the fun of it ... now turn around and put your hands behind your back

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope you also have a thin handlebar mustache that you twirl while cackling or the experience would be ruined.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No I don't .... but you can also turn around and put your hands behind your back

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Oh hell yeah, rigging is real fun

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Whoever is forcing this dilemma is doing something wrong. Sue them for a fat payday... or chose violence.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Can I chose which ones exactly?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 week ago

Nah that's techbro employees.

[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

nah, you doctor footage of people on the rails and stimulate the scenario instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sl5KJ69qiA

No. I would tie them to the tracks for fun.

I wouldn't be a professor of moral philosophy if I did shit like this just at work.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

You could pull the lever and watch the trolley crash trying to make it through that tight S-bend.

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