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I'd rather watch The Orville
TNG isn't really known for fan services is it, voyager definitely was, Harry and Kim always getting off with alien space girls or running hollow deck swimsuit parties and of course enterprise had the whole sexy Vulcan plot line, I don't think DS9 really did it too much.
DS9 arguably did it just as much, just wrote it better. They were the first to have a lesbian kiss. They pushed social and political boundaries in deeper than 'my skin is different than yours' ways. It debated the morality of war, peace through killing, and how slavery can take forms beyond chains (examples include the bajorans, cardassians, and ketracell white). It was the deeper trek in so many ways. And it was just as liberal, just as DEI, and just as open to explore sexuality in every direction (basically any episode with dex, then countered by the omni sex of odo). It did just as much as any of the nu-trek, but didn't dumb it down to lowest common denominator to spoon feed it to you with forced dialog and in-your-face preaching.
It wasn't as prominent as some people seem to remember, but Marina Sirtis did end up being shot from some strange angles in the earlier seasons.
I hate nu-trek because beyond the obvious shitty writing, lack of an ensemble cast and true standalone episodes, extremely lame and cheap special effects and just the way it is made (legacy series fitting into a canon rather than actual new events i.e. ENT) - its just very apolitical, bland and not very woke at all. TNG, DS9, ENT - all had real hard hitting stuff to say, stuff thats more relevant now than ever, and is always timeless.
Disco has a nonbinary person just kinda be there, such enthralling commentary, wow! It's almost a self-parody y'know. Picard has the romulan refugee thing be kinda swept under the rug in favour of the ME3 synthetics vs organics vs giant space octopus doohickey plot, and then the 2nd season invents a new alternate universe that doesn't actually seem much different from the future picard itself portrays in the first season.
There will never he anything quite like 'Far Beyond The Stars' in Trek again, sadly. Nor will there be a 'Who Mourns for Morn' for that matter, now we mourn for trek.
That's okay by me though, All Good Things and all that, and especially so because For All Mankind took up the actual woke space sci-fi mantle, unsurprisingly so since it's made by Trek and Expanse alumni like RDM, Menosky, Okudas, Shankar etc.
nutrek is "woke" in the most boring way possible. It doesn't attempt to challenge the viewer at all. It's all vague reassurances that go "Oh yes! Aren't you so very moral? People should have rights! Have a dog treat for being so smart!" You know what I wanna see? How about some postgenderism. Have a society in which binary and nonbinary are both REgressive.
What about an alien race that sees identity as a form of oppression? If identity is used as a way to gauge what someone is and is not allowed to do, is that system restrictive or freeing?
Come on, Star Trek! Give something I can sink my teeth into. I'm starving for something that questions me, that I can actually think about.
This is exactly what I have brought up so many times. I shit on academy for being lowest common denominator shitty writing and people bring out the pitch forks as if I am gay bashing. No, I'm shitty writing bashing, they just wrapped it up in a pride flag.
Remember when DS9 brought in lgbt+ identity discussion through thought provoking situations with deep characters making hard choices that were influenced by their lgbt+ backgrounds or morals?
Now we have- He is so conflicted because he is a peaceful klingon. Life is so hard in our utopia. By the way, did I mention he was gay?
I watch star trek for its deep politics and nuanced pushing of boundaries, not to preach to the choir with a mallet.
That and the only time that something remotely interesting happens is at the start or end of an episode.
It's so that you start watching the episode and then at the end want to watch the next one and it disgusts me because it feels so manipulative.
This is not a soap opera, it's supposed to be star trek.
ST:D is more apt than Disco.
my sibling has clearly never mainlined lower decks
They should call it higher decks bc of where it is on the tierlist
woke
By the standards of the 1990s, sure.
lame attempts at fanservice
Not really. McCoy made a very brief appearance in the pilot. But, it wasn't until season 5 where Spock would show up in a pretty major role. Scotty showed up a season later. I wouldn't say there was much fan service at all, given that the TOS crew was mostly all around and available.
giRrL pOwErRr
Hardly. Troi was the most important female character, but she was less important than the Captain, Number One, Data, Chief Engineer Laforge and of course Miles. It was a bit unusual to have a female head of security, but she didn't even last 1 season before being replaced by Worf.
pushes gay agenda
Was there a single gay member of the Enterprise? The only hint at homosexuality I can remember is Riker going for an androgynous person. They even had to make it clear that Tasha Yar wasn't a lesbian by having her fuck a sex robot.
handwavy magic "science"
It's Star Trek...
retconned Klingons to look super weird
The brow ridges showed up in 1979's Star Trek, the Motion Picture. They were a major departure from the TOS design. TNG just kept that design
disabled crew members
Geordi? I suppose. He definitely makes it seem like he's "differently abled" though, because his visor lets him see things that other people can't. But, I suppose they do have some occasions when someone takes his visor and he's completely blind.
The only other one I can think of is Barclay, but that's more neurodivergence than a disability.
unrelentingly woke
You already said that
captain with a goofy hairstyle
Sure
black people everywhere
Laforge and... Guinan? Sure, the actor playing Worf is black, but it's hard to tell anything under all that makeup. There were remarkably few black characters in TNG, if you think about it.
politics politics politics
Yes, it's Star Trek.
Didn't DS9 have someone in a wheelchair at some point? There's some hand wavy explanation is to why she was in a wheelchair that I can't remember but they even made the point that the space station isn't particularly disable access compliant.
She is a member of a nonhuman species that evolved on a planet with low gravity. They evolved in a way that makes then physiologically incompatible with the gravity that most other species experience. It's an example of how a person's level of physical ability and required accommodation often depend on the environment. It also challenges the viewer to reconsider whether she should be treated like a disabled person.
You're thinking of Ensign Melora Pazlar; her home planet's gravity was less strong than what most humanoids are used to so she needed the chair. She was outfitted in a regular wheelchair because the Cardassians (as you might imagine) don't care much about disability so the station had no way to be outfitted for use with an anti-grav. chair.
They even had to make it clear that Tasha Yar wasn't a lesbian by having her fuck a sex robot.
Hey, not a sex robot, a robot capable of sex.... there's a difference....I think 🤔
Even as a joke, it felt wrong to refer to Data that way. XD
Forget Brent Spinner as data, give me that independence day drip
Retconning Data as a Noonien Soong sex-bot would be wild
Data in the streets, Lore in the sheets.
Dr crusher also kisses a woman in that one episode that introduced the trill.
You could maybe argue that there was a hint at a pro-Trans story there. She falls for a guy, but the person she thinks she fell for isn't actually the person she thought, and in the end it's a girl. But, she decides not to continue the relationship after that final twist. And it's also one episode in a very long series and Crusher is clearly straight... even if the Trill is maybe bisexual, or maybe pansexual.
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Brow ridge change came up in the Tribble episode of DS9 too
I think that was the first time someone actually acknowledged the change. And then there was a short arc on Enterprise providing an in-universe reason for that change.
Never actually watched Enterprise (yet) so don't know the cannon reason they gave but re: first mentioned, yes it was, and I think Worf, when asked why Klingons looked different said something akin to "we don't talk about it".
O'Brien: What happened? Some kind genetic engineering?
Doctor Bashir: A viral mutation?
The writers of Enterprise watched this episode and said, "yes."
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LOL ... he isn't wrong.
Also, all the people commenting here that dont get it and didn't read the post.
Nu trek same as the old trek ( good!)
We won't get fooled again! (By all the haters)
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Hmm, who is the disabled crewmember the greentext is referring to in TNG?
The most obvious answer is Geordi La Forge, but I am sure there are more
I cannot remember a specific example of this, but I seem to remember it being implied at some point that Starfleet is full of invisible disabilities. That future assistive devices are just so efficient and inconspicuous that you can't even tell when someone has lost their natural sense of hearing or something because they are able to conduct their job normally thanks to a tiny implant. Geordi just has his VISOR because the writers gave this main character a significant disability to drive the plot and sell toys/props.
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Riker has an issue where he can’t sit down like a sentient being.
He can sit, it's just his way of getting to that point which is strange
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