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Trump on Iran: At least 13 US service men and over 3400 Iranian service men, with an estimated 10,000 civilian casualties - including 168 school children (discuss.online)

submitted 23 hours ago by VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online to c/antitrumpalliance@lemmy.world

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

What? Soft power? Negotiation? Breaking bread with our (fr)enemies? Nah, we don't do that here. Besides, how else are people going to know that we're big, tough, and strong? /s

"Everyone has a plan until they're punched in the face."

Corollary: Nobody has a plan when punching people in the face doesn't work.

[–] tobebannedbygaymods@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

did America really take 97% of Iran's enriched Uranium ?

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"Service men"? Makes it sound like they are in the peace corps or missionaries. How about "soldier"?

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Cause not everyone in the military is a soldier.

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Do you have a better word that doesn't make militaries sound like they're on some charitable mission

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 2 points 59 minutes ago

In Germany they're called citizens in uniform nowadays

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Obama pulled it off because Iran had significant geopolitical leverage and he wasn't dumb enough to confront them with direct escalatory military action (he still used Stuxnet) like Trump was.

He had no issues carpet bombing Afghanistan because they didn't have any military power that could oppose the USA.

Even for Trump, the real deviation from the standard Uncle Sam treatment was this year's crapshow. Last year's operation midnight hammer could have happened under any president for the past 3 decades and no one would've blinked an eye.

[–] Ophrys@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago

Also, "everyone" is conveniently ignoring that invading and bombing iran has been a bipartisan wet dream since the islamic revolution took place. I assume almost every american politician is probably gooning every day to the images of burned bodies tbh

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that's because Obama had a fucking healthy brain and body.

Trump is demented and dying in front of us.

Great job, Republicans. You owned your own country and deteriorated the world (which you and everyone you love live in) in order to own the libs.

Fucking goddamn idiotic numbskulled dumbasses. Every fucking one of them. Absolutely braindead, worm-brained, self-destructive assholes. I genuinely hope history destroys every one of them.

I'll never forget, will you?

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 1 points 4 hours ago

He was smart enough to drone strike children and got americans to think he's a nice guy. Or americans are just dumb and or don't care

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia

The smug Drone King mass-murderer needs to STFU

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 53 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Did Obama use military Ops that killed innocent people? Yes.

Is Obama still infinitely better as a president and human versus the Cheeto Chimp? Yes.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.
90% civilian casualties from his drone strikes.
A record 3.8 million deportations and a lot more.

You can debate who is the worse war criminal and mass-murderer, probably him.
'better' is not the right word.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Obama is certainly a better human and leader vs Cheeto Chimp. That's not up for debate.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 72 points 22 hours ago (15 children)

Homie wants to talk cool while we all watched him launch missiles at school busses. Let's not act like US Presidents haven't been war criminals for over a decade.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago

Yeah didn't vote for this guy after the first term.

He was a sham.

We could do better, but the democrats have done nothing but far, far... Far, far, far... Far, far worse.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Since I was ten or so every president has crossed that line.

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Too bad he didn't cause any meaningful change to the DNC and immediately dissappeared after his term letting the party flounder without a real direction. We're still feeling the effects of his lack of leadership. He was the disruption candidate that forgot to disrupt.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

He probably disappeared because the DNC was still propping up Hillary Clinton and she was running the show. Remember 2008 was supposed to be Hillary’s year, Obama came out of nowhere during the primaries, he was just a one term senator. So the DNC and Hillary probably felt that Obama swiped the presidential seat from under their nose. Obama gave Hillary Secretary of State as a peace offering, but probably wasn’t enough for the DNC and Hillary. I doubt he could have pushed through any meaningfully change when the DNC was adamant on getting Hillary in office.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

He had 8 years to do something about it. He used them to help prop her up. Remember he made her Secretary of State. That's when we got to see what a true war hawk she is.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

That sociopathic ghoul was even less palatable than Copmala

[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 6 points 13 hours ago

He's also been happy to help rehabilitate bush and is now being pro republicans staying around as a party.

Hell in office he was more than happy to continue bushs programs and agendas

[–] papitoooo@lemmy.zip 7 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

What was he supposed to do? He gave us 8 years of competent leadership. One deserves retirement.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I was in the Finance Industry during the 2008 Crash and its aftermath.

The way Obama unconditionally saved the Asset Owners, refused to fully restore the Regulation of the Industry that had stopped crashes like that from happenning (until none other than Clinton repealed it) and made mainly workers pay for it all (which is why inequality has exploded since), was not "competent leadership".

Unless you think that when a leader of a nation sacrifices the many to save the few from their own massive fuck-up that's "competency".

And don't get me started on his droning campaign were so many civilians were killed that Obama changed the definition of Enemy Combatant to be all men ages 16 to 60, so that they didn't count as collateral casualties.

Obama was a veritable political songbird, his song beautiful and inspiring - great communicator, impeccable image management. What he was not was compentent, at least not at representing the interests of all, or even just most, of the citizens of the country he was president of.

(I suppose you could say that he was competent at some things, though not at being a President).

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 1 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

Supposedly, and I'm not making any claim on the veracity of this, there was a decision on whether to prioritize healthcare or accountability for the financial industry, and they went with the former. That's their story anyway

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

It would've been a more believable claim if the outcome was Universal Healthcare rather than some small tweaks on the existing system that did not in any way, form or shape solve the probem.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

I would rather not have a competent mass-murdering imperialist.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

Make meaningful change in the DNC. You know, like my comment said. Look what Trump did to the RNC. He completely reshaped that party. Obama left it floundering so he can make money giving speeches.

[–] Zamotic@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I feel like you're giving WAY too much credit to Trump. Did Trump change the RNC? Or was he just the catalyst that allowed the RNC to become what they always wanted to become? All he did was rally the base like no other politician on either side really has. The RNC just saw that as an opportunity.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Yes, he did that much to change the RNC. He put his daughter in law as the head of the RNC so he could threaten to primary people that didn't do what he wants. He did that during the time he wasn't president...

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[–] Blibly@lemmy.world 46 points 23 hours ago

Competence and responsibility mean nothing to republicans. Words mean nothing to them. They have no consistent beliefs and their lives are controlled by their erratic emotions and bigoted preconceptions.

Society cannot function while people like that have any control over anything, and in the USA they are disproportionately represented in our government.

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