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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 97 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Bus lanes and trams are a symbol of “communism” and car is a sign of “freedom” until you realize that the ultimate freedom is choosing to walk, bike, take transit, or drive to your destination.

his employer won’t reimburse him for mileage once he fully transitions into his new role next month

2018 Chevy Silverado, which he uses to carry equipment and supplies for the hotels, this year.

Well, that’s a fucking problem. Don’t take a job in which you are expected to use a personal vehicle for work purposes. Work provided vehicle and submit receipts for gasoline. Insurance company won’t like it. You won’t like how fast your car goes through tires and then dies. Etc.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like the legality of not reimbursing him for using his personal vehicle for work purposes is fairly dubious though I'd be lying if I said I knew the specifics of the laws there.

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Employer: taps head They're a contractor and I don't pay then enough to live.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I think in his case he's salary as a regional manager. Contractor is a whole other thing.

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[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 14 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Given the cost of fuel, a bus pass for me (if I still had to commute, I work from home now) for a month is now just over $800/mo.

6 years ago, that was $375/mo.

I don't think the issue is limited to car drivers, I suspect more than a few folks who took public transit with me are looking at a pretty impactful monthly cost.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Trains. Overhead wire. Green energy. Build it now or suffer later.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 7 points 1 week ago (25 children)

I agree.

That does nothing to address the current (rapidly rising) commuting costs happening now, though.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We had electric buses with overhead wires in São Paulo in the 80s.

The US had electric interurban railroads in the Rockies a hundred years ago.

It can happen very fast.

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[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

What.... the fuck....? Where do you live that this costs 800 FREAKING DOLLARS???

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah. I feel very lucky to have moved to a place where I have an electric train and an electric bus system powered by hydroelectric.

Oh wait, climate change means our glacial flow is 12% of the typical rate and the province is announcing a datacenter construction plan?

Well fuck me too I guess.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bus lanes and trams are a symbol of “communism” and car is a sign of “freedom”

This is basically it.

I saw a post the other day that argued to the conservative mind there must be an underclass. There must be poor people whose lives suck. If you try to make things good for everyone, you're going against nature and will just make things bad for everyone.

Thus good public transit is bad. If different classes of people all mingle then it's like mixing your food up on the plate and that's just wrong!

They really are like children

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I still don't get truck culture.

I grew up kinda out in the sticks, fair number of religious nuts and racists.

You know what they'd say about trucks, in the late 90s?

If you need a truck, like, really actually need a truck, you get it and use it only for actually hauling shit, or towing something.

Then you have a sedan or similar for everything else.

Like, ... the yokels of 20/30 years ago would all be laughing at the yokels of today.

I don't get how these people can be this aggresively stupid, its literally an insult to their 'heritage', fucked up as that heritage may or may not be.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They would! I remember my gear head uncles scoffing and laughing at the extended cab in the 90s.

They would absolutley laugh at these yuppies. Now some of them are the yuppies.

its wild.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yep I remeber that too, specifically

Extended cab? Ridiculous. Like 'hwaaaak ptooie' ridiculous.

Whatchu gonna do with that?

Take your wife down to the feed and seed, ask her for help liftin bags into the bed?

Ahhahahahah!

Swear to god I heard nearly exactly that at some point.

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's masculine insecurity. Our culture doesn't produce men who are secure in their gender identity so they have to constantly proofs it to themselves and others all the time. Once you see it, you realize it's the root cause from everything from truck nuts to looksmaxxing

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[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

EXACTLY. GIVE A CHOICE!!

I myself am a car person but still. Give us a choice. I would be ALL FOR banning cars in our downtown area and just having to bike walk or bus to get there from farther away. Cars ruin cities.

We need them in rural. But thats far fewer people.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

It is going to be very funny (read: horrifying) watching the American economy entirely grind to a halt, due to our car centric design of everything just completely imploding as ICE vehicle commuting itself becomes a luxury.

We're so fucking delusional about this.

Cars are unaffordable.

Gas is unaffordable.

Public transit basically doesn't exist outside of some major cities, but not even close to all.

If it costs more to go to work and be able to go to work, than you are paid for working, it is imminently rational to not go to work.

Just most people in general will completely lose their minds as this gets worse.

What will win?

Just get an EV or Hybrid or Motorcycle or E Bike...

Or...

No, cuz that's gay/stupid/'unreasonable'... ?

[–] Soulg@ani.social 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or just can't afford to buy a new vehicle, ironically enough. I would love little more than to get rid of my car for an EV right now but I was barely staying afloat before gas prices started to surge, now it's just even more precarious.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I guess you could put it like this:

How do we improve traffic?

Raise gas prices, dramatically.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 12 points 1 week ago

Anybody who cannot just stop driving will tell you the many many ways why that's a terrible idea without like 15 other things done first

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Worry not, 15 year financing will save North America!

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

Coming soon:

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[–] parson0@startrek.website 47 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'm patiently waiting to see what else it takes for Americans to overthrow this government.

From his pedophile ring to unlawful executive orders, wars, tariffs.. Trump keeps breaking the law and acts outside their beloved constitution. All with consent from the majority in both ruling parties, either by direct support (R) or silence (D).

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They won't.

Despite what you hear on lemmy, the average american is not living in some kind of fascist hellscape. They are working a pretty decent job for a wage that pays their bills, and everything for them is more or less the same as it was under Biden. They are unhappy with the increased cost of things - but they aren't even close to "riot in the streets".

Instead, their strategy will be:

  • ignore the federal government until the next election
  • vote in opposition politicians in city and state elections in the meantime

Legally, the states can't make laws that contradict federal law. But as the case of marijuana legalization has shown, the federal government is very hesitant to push back on laws passed by states with broad popular appeal. So in the meantime, we'll likely see moves by the states to become more autonomous, and will see more anti-Trump politicians make names for themselves and get ready for the national stage.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

My 60 year old dad straight up said "idk why people get so worked up, the president won't affect your life that much anyway". Even people who hate trump still have families, children, a life that while bad, is still worth holding onto for them. Better to keep their head down and try to scrape by with their loved ones than go off to die in a revolution. And who would lead them?

People like to talk about grand ideas of revolution and overthrowing government, but then reality sets in while trying to actually work out the nuts and bolts of it.

[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yep it's the classic "first they came for" dilemma. Your dad is probably a straight white guy with a decent job cruising to retirement. That's great for him and his family. No need to do anything to push back on the trends now while it's easy because it's not affecting him.

It's definitely been awful for a whole lot of people though. Immigrants and brown Americans are getting ICE'd (the detention centers are worse than most people want to know 🙈). Trans people are being harassed and pushed out of society, they can't even renew their passport without having their gender forcibly changed or feel safe going to the bathroom.

There are real things that folks like him could do to show the GOP that they need to pull back, but the truth is they are going to wait until they come for them, once it is too late.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

some of us have seen the bs over the last decades though and did not have kids and may be willing to fight just to hold our heads up. Some kids to will see the bs and take a stance. Thing is it does not go right to violent revolution. Some of us will bartley the scrivner it up and it will wratchet in multiple ways.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's already happened, the coup is done.

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[–] BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 week ago

So now you're telling me that investing in a culture that denies basic physical reality might result in a situation where reality is inconvenient?

[–] Smookey4444@anarchist.nexus 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

America is just too car centric

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I think we are certainly learning it, albeit slowly. When we set up our suburbia world, it was fine, because there were just fewer people, and we had the room to do it. It's now chaos, you take your life in your hands driving to work, it costs an arm and a leg. Unfortunately, we designed ourselves into a corner, and (at least where I live) trying to fix it feels insurmountable. And I live in a place with some of the best trains outside of Manhattan. And they're terrible.

No solutions here. Just observations.

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hi, I'm Trevor Moore. Did you know that it's illegal to say "I want to kill the President of the United States of America"?

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

RIP Trevor Moore, one of the funniest (and whitest) kids u know.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

He died like a Russian dissident except his death was actually an accident

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, not commuting. Commuting in cars.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They could take public transit and spend three hours one way commuting to their eight hour shift.

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the average American is working mostly to pay rent and commuting costs, they're less likely to look for a new job, or to try to improve conditions at their current job.

But hey. At least you know you're FREE.

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The rich are loving it because they have more reason to fire people.

[–] manxu@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

I mean, commuting was unaffordable for a lot of American workers beforehand, too. I knew a guy that worked at a grocery store, had his car destroyed by an uninsured driver, and when he had a night shift, there was no public transportation. He had to shell out more in Uber and taxi to get to and from work than he made on his shift.

It's just a lot more, I guess. At least, EVs will start selling again, right?

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There's now less traffic during rush hour. But you know, just like with the pandemic, those cars will come back doubled just as soon as fuel becomes cheap again regardless of who made it cheap again.

Stupid trump is literally the green party! LOL. He's forcing people to think about commuting! He's forcing people to get rid of their cars...flooding the used car market and affecting their price so others may afford a ride. He is also making food and foreign good expensive... So people are loosing weight and buying less junk! Shipping companies will be forced to use paper based packaging because it has less plastic... And lighter products so less fuel is used.

LOL... Not lol. The price to pay is this gigantic ball of hurt just slowly accumulating. I hope it dissipates in a slow leak rather than a big pop.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The new job entails thousands of miles of driving each month to properties in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois [...] and his employer won’t reimburse him for mileage.

No fucking comment.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 8 points 1 week ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unsustainable

not capable of being prolonged or continued : not sustainable

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