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[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 163 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

corporations are people until crimes

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[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 114 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

They did get billed ~$150k and paid for the water. Questions have not been answered about how the two connections were made without the water authority's knowledge. Seems difficult for a water main to just spontaneously form but maybe, I am not a pipe expert

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My father worked for the city's utilities and he said they could see when an ad break was during a big TV event because everyone was going to the toilet at the same time. They usually knew when someone had a broken pipe in their cellar before the owner did because of the change in pressure at that location.

No way did the city not know where the water was going.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I hadn't thought of this, but it's definitely a thing. They've been searching for missing pipes here since we got a data center our landlord emails about looking for leaks that don't exist

This is one of those civilization ending things. Use of food and water in Palestine has been pretty awful.

Public utilities is woke socialism.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they knew, they just dont want to openly admit it, and just use ignorance.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

~$150k and paid for the water

Can someone put that into perspective for me? I also have a hard time figuring how much 30 mil gallons actually is, like how many households for how long etc.

In any case, honest mistake sounds like a blatant lie, but hey, if POTUS does it why shouldn't they?

People should provide article links.

[–] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

According to the EPA, the average American family of four uses about 400 gallons of water per day, or 12,000 gallons per month. This feels high to me, but we'll use that.

So, 30 million gallons is roughly the monthly usage of 2,500 four-person households, or the daily usage of 75,000 homes.

[–] abcd@feddit.org 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

How does the average American Family manage that consumption?

German family of Four here: We use around 200liter a day. That’s roughly 50gallons. And we do wash ourselves and our clothes.

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[–] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 74 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If corporations are people, I want to see Texas execute one!

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We have to be the change we want to see in the world.

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[–] notabot@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

In a way they do. The courts can issue a winding up order against a company, typically, but not always, because it's bankrupt, ending the company.

It's not a very satisfying answer, but that's how it goes. A better ask might be "If corporations are people, I want to see one jailed".

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You are absolutely correct! I evaporated 30 million gallons of water that I was not legally allowed to use. Would you like me to come up with a plan to reduce water usage?

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

I see what you did there; you won't get away with it ChatGPT.

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[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] sudo@lemmy.today 18 points 2 weeks ago

Or whatever

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[–] sen@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I don't understand how data centers work. Like are they hiring people to stand there with a hose spraying racks or something? Why the fuck isn't this water being cycled?

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The AC systems use adiabatic gas coolers to minimize their footprint and electricity use. An adiabatic gas cooler works very similarly to a standard AC condenser except that there is an aditional piece of media on the air inlet side of the condenser coil which is kept perpetually wet. Basically as air is pulled through that media it evaporates water and cools that air basically down to the local dew point. This means colder air cooling the refrigerant condenser and thus a smaller more electricity efficient condenser.

Adiabatic coolers are especially popular on CO2 based refrigeration systems because of the low critical temp of CO2. Basically once the ambient temp gets above 75-80F a standard gas cooler can no longer liquify CO2 because it just goes supercritical instead which results in a more inefficient refrigeration process. Adiabatic coolers can largely mitigate that issue.

Of course this whole process could be done without using water but it would require more electricity. Basically someone did the math and found out that using water was cheaper than using more electricity so that's what they did. If we want data centers to stop using up all our water then the easiest fix is to just start charging them more for water.

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[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

most are closed loops, but some are not, i.e. cold water enters the datacenter, cools it, and then warm water leaves as waste water.

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that the majority of them are not closed loop, any idea if there's data (no pun intended) anywhere? A quick search found me not much

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It sounds like the waste head they create is getting harder and harder to cool with heat exchangers. So evaporative cooling is more efficient (power wise, not water usage wise) and they basically spray water on the cooling towers and it blows away in the wind as vapor.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So they could not use the water too, but they are saving money and simply prefer stealing the water they don't even need

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe, thermodynamics are a jerk, and it may be impossible to get enough cooling in some environments.

It could also use more power to compress refrigerants to cool it other ways. Then we’re trading carbon in the atmosphere for water waste.

Sure we could use solar, hydro, or nuclear, but we could also just stop the fucking slop and waste less of everything.

But without political revolt none of that will happen.

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[–] paranoia@feddit.dk 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Having a closed loop is more expensive and energy intensive than running cold water through the heat exchanger.

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Whoopsie, I accidetawy used 30 miwion gawons of water 🥹 Can I pliz have more if I pwomise to behave?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

When you owe the bank $10,000 then you've got a problem.

When you owe the bank $100M then the bank's got a problem.

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 weeks ago

whoops, accidentally used a bit too much water

[–] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 25 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

30 million gallons of water... you know with all that money that they are throwing at these data centers, they could solve world hunger or at least alleviate it in America, cure cancer, do something for the environment like reforestation especially in the desert parts of America and there are methods do it but no their unwavering focus is on something that makes that will make everything worse! More heat, faster resource depletion and destruction of environment around these data centers, like for who is this supposed to make life better? if you immediately thought of the terminator then yeah they'll be fine but us? we are so fucked if this keeps going.

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[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If you did it, it wouldn't be called "used illegally" it would be given its more traditional name of "stealing."

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm going to try this when on trial for shoplifting. "No. I didn't steal it. You see, I never actually claimed ownership over the item I took. I would have given it back if they asked. I was just using it illegally!"

[–] Impractical_Island@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yes your honor, I accidentally stole offbrand Walmart Benadryl over a hundred times, but due to how ridiculously cheap it is, it has only cost Walmart $99, which they actually gain a profit from a specific loophole they use to fuck the insurance company when it's a pharmacy-department loss, so technically I'm an unspoken Walmart contractor, and I demand benefits!

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

the mistake was getting caught

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[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago

Your AI surveillance overloads require massive data centers. They also need all of the water and all of the electricity to operate them. Just remember that this is for your own good.

You will own nothing, and you will be happy.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And nothing will happen to them.

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[–] Impractical_Island@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I used to "mistakenly" jack off in my window, just like I "accidentally" faked schizophrenia to get outta ROTC over the course of weeks, to include telling them my nonexistent sister got me pregnant, so I understand how this is possible.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Wasn't that a Melissa Etheridge song?

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[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I can't believe it: a ragebait screenshot with a mix of accurate and inaccurate details that make a bad situation look even worse. You all have frontal lobes, fellow apes. Use them to think critically, because there's a REASON memes like this want you to react emotionally and it's not in your best interests at all.

Tl;dr: the data center's usage is an issue, the local governments that facilitate and even encourage this behaviour are arguably even worse.

Truth: this shit hole data center used 30M gallons of water over the course of several months without being billed for it.

Rage Bait: they did it "illegally."

Truth: the data center fully intended and was allowed by local government to use that water in the course of its construction, but weren't billed because they didn't inform the local utility of one water hookup, and the utility cocked up by ignoring the usage for that hookup and failed to bill the center for the usage on its second hookup. The data center did exceed their usage limits, but that's not illegal: they simply pay penalties for the overage. The local utility waived these penalties because they're spineless.

Rage Bait: the exceedance caused a drop in water pressure.

Truth: the locals experiencing water pressure drops receive their water from groundwater while the data center uses surface water. Given groundwater recharge rates are painfully slow, the data center's usage did not cause the issue, though the pressure complaints led to the investigation that found the billing issues.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/05/data-center-used-30-million-gallons-of-water-without-initially-paying/

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[–] AccoSpoot1@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Oopsy woopsie, AI Data Centre did a fucky wucky!

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 11 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

CAFO "Factory Farms" in Minnesota used 2.3 billion gallons of water in 2017 and the number is going up

A typical Hog CAFO uses 5-10 million gallons per month, every month, all year long.

Dairy CAFOS use 10-20 million.

https://scholarworks.umt.edu/etd/11365/ https://www.elpc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/MI-CAFO-Report-Section-1-ELPC.pdf

In Georgia where this data center is they have hundreds of these farms which not only drain the local aquifers but create shit lagoons that pollute mostly black neighborhoods.

It is the height of hypocrisy to complain about datacenters and support animal agriculture which is unnecessary.

[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You do know that multiple things can be bad at once, right? Like, yes, agriculture uses an ABHORRENT amount of water, but we at least get food out of it. What do we get out of datacenters? Chatbots that drive people insane and endless worthless slop. Both are bad.

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[–] Nautalax@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

~30 ft subsidence at a California farm from extraction of the groundwater. Agricultural use is immense and wipes out historic rivers, lakes, even seas and slowly replenished groundwater reserves and something like 40% of water used is wasted because the sun just evaporates it before it used by the crops.

Everyone (agricultural or data center) would be far less wasteful if they had to at least pay for the true value of the water they’re extracting in their local area, i.e. a lot more if it’s scarcer/from slowly replenishing sources. Though that would probably result in a lot of economic relocation to wetter areas as many business models in dry areas become unviable.

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[–] jeniferariza@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Funny how “honest mistake” only works when you’re rich enough to call it that. 30 million gallons is insane.

[–] GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Hope they kept that water for when the town burns that data center to the ground.

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