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so i just had this discussion with a friend whether smartphones should be required to be repairable by law.

my answer is: probably not a good regulation. because: smartphones basically don't produce toxins during production or when disposed, so there's no environmental harm. smartphones cost like $200 these days (at least the new ones i buy) and these work well despite the low cost, so it's not like you're bleeding out financially because of smartphones. assuming a cost of living around $2000/month which is i think average for the US (?), and assuming that a smartphone lasts 5 years without repair, that means that smartphones cost about 0.2% of your expenses. Not even 1 percent.

Also making stuff repairable means adding additional screws which add weight and more importantly complexity that increase production cost.

feel free to shit on my take with "muh duh capitalism bad we need to regulate things" and i get your point with basically a lot of things like healthcare (which is really too expensive) but smartphones are a bad example for this. it's like complaining about the weight of paper, saying that we need to cut greenhouse gas emissions by reducing the freight weight of trucks by making paper used in books thinner, so that it's more lightweight. you save like 0.000001% of the total weight of what's carried around while also making books more fragile because thinner paper tears more easily. it's a distraction from the important issues. it causes the illusion that regulation is bad because one regulation after another is a bad example that shouldn't have been regulated in the first place. it's like when the capitalists come together to think about "how do we pitch the society against state oversight?" and then they come up with 10 different weak/controversial/meaningless proposals just to give examples to the population that regulating things doesn't pay off.


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damn i have hardly ever seen a post with 76 downvotes to 4 upvotes. i thought lemmy removes a post from the feed after 20 downvotes. well, maybe they changed it.


Anyways, a few hours later, after thinking about it again, i think what i wanted to say is that the toxicity of smartphones is the problem, but repairing smartphones might not be the solution.

Consider the following: even if you only buy half as many smartphones because they last twice as long, you would still pollute the environment through your actions, because there's still toxins released into the environment. so reducing the problem does not solve it. i think to make a meaningful approach, one should define criteria or thresholds about how many toxins can be released into the environment. My personal approach to this is that all toxins are harmful and should be avoided, but i think that can only be done by requiring smartphone manufacturers to produce phones in non-toxic ways, without heavy metals and such. This is the actual solution because it doesn't release toxins into the environment. Meanwhile, repairability is the illusion of a meaningful proposal because it doesn't actually solve the problem. Meanwhile, it shifts blame on the consumer because now you're required to feel like it is your responsibility that the environment doesn't get polluted, meanwhile your MAGA neighbor will not care about this and happily buy a new iPhone every 1.5 years.

So what i propose is:

  • Require smartphone manufacturers to not use harmful chemicals during smartphone production; such that smartphones are effectively non-toxic and can be disposed of safely through the bin, without environmental hazard.
  • instead of: accepting that smartphones are toxic and will forever stay toxic (this feels like there should be a close analogy to the internet ;-) ), while also demanding that end users take care of the environment by buying less but also demanding that end users help stimulate the economy by buying more, at the same time.

More smartphones can be produced if they're non-toxic because there would be less environmental hazard from it, so it would actually help the economy. Please consider demanding that smartphones be non-toxic as a policy proposal.

To sum it up: Non-Toxic Computing. That does not only include social media being non-toxic but also the computing hardware being non-toxic.

Thank you for the attention and sorry for the confusion at first!

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[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Either a troll or an incredibly stupid individual.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 51 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

because: smartphones basically don't produce toxins during production or when disposed, so there's no environmental harm.

Yeah you're right, I'm even using electronic waste as a soil for my tomatoes, the lithium and plastic give it a nice taste

[–] mriormro@lemmy.zip 24 points 11 hours ago
[–] ater@piefed.world 33 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

smartphones basically don’t produce toxins during production or when disposed

Er, citation needed? Because pretty much every piece of a cell phone is toxic when recycled (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11270-023-06328-2), even just the plastics used in the casing (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412019332556). There are not nearly enough recycling facilities to handle all the e-waste (https://microjournal.researchfloor.org/impact-of-e-waste-on-human-health-and-environment/) and most of it is shipped to developing worlds to be burned in open air pits.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 28 points 12 hours ago

All electronics have a negative environmental impact. I don't know where you're reading that they don't, but find more sources.

[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like your take comes from a lack of information in the subject

Also right to repair come from software interoperability and that’s always a win

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org -3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

what does software interoperability have to do with it?

[–] plc@feddit.dk 5 points 7 hours ago

Right to repair often comes up as a remedy against software monopoly (think appstore/play/android/ios) because it implies being able to override the bootloader and OS.

The one major obstacle to a thriving OSS mobile market is a lack of compatible devices, because iphones and androids are locked down.

If you were actually free to do it you could easily (in a world where this market was allowed to develop) extend the life of an iphone 7 by 5-10 more years, even though apple has decided no longer to support it with software updates.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

smartphones basically don't produce toxins during production or when disposed

Positively incorrect

smartphones cost like $200 these days (at least the new ones i buy) and these work well despite the low cost, so it's not like you're bleeding out financially because of smartphones

Flagships are solidly 7-8 times that cost. Sorry you’re using a “cheap” $200 phone from 2020.

[–] queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 hours ago

that second statement is also a very privileged statement. there’s countless people in the world that make less than $200 in a month. if you live in a country that’s exploited for its cheap labor (by these very phone companies), it’s unlikely you can afford one of these “affordable” phones easily

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You used to be able to replace a battery just b taking a cover off, or use a physical, non-drm capable audio out from a phone. Then the companies decided that to shave a few pennies off the costs and at the same time make more people rely on buying a new phone or paying for repairs by taking those things away.

I'm pretty sure they can survive taking a fraction of a percent less profit to build things in a way where you can replace a battery or screen without excessive work. Free market maximalism just leads to letting companies squeeze you for every penny they can, and on a longer scale continue to drive the disposable 'buy don't repair' mentality so prevalent today in not just phones but virtually all common goods.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You used to be able to replace a battery just b taking a cover off,

yeah, i do wonder, did these phones use to be water-proof? I don't remember. In the rain i mean, environmental moisture.

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 2 points 2 hours ago

Well enough at least. Last I had was back in maybe the android 2 era, but the design basically was snapped shut, a rubber gasket around the lip, and a couple screws with some thread lock. Battery compartment's only exposed contacts where a couple flat tabs molded into the case, so the battery itself might be vulnerable, but the phone was really no worse than anything with a USB port today.

[–] TheDarkQuark@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Say you buy a $1000 phone, and the screen cracks in like 2 months. What do you do? Will you happily pay around a third of the phone price just to get the screen repaired from their official service center? A part of the reason the repair price is so extremely high is because the repair is not easy (even if the display does not cost as much). The disassembly of the phone requires specialized tools (and knowledge) which are not as easily accessible to the average person.

Replacing the battery is even harder. Phones these days have software support for up to 7 years, but the battery degrades a lot in 3. So, you are now left with a capable device that drains extremely fast.

Also, a lot of us want phones with long (preferably upstream) software support and are privacy enthusiasts. And I have seen no phone which matches the desired criteria for under $200. You need to dish out around $500 (e.g. Pixel 10a) to get such a device new (obviously cheaper if you buy it second hand).

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 0 points 7 hours ago

You need to dish out around $500 (e.g. Pixel 10a) to get such a device new

i hope motorola pulls through with their new line of phones with unlockable bootloaders.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.circularise.com/blogs/r-strategies-for-a-circular-economy [R-Strategies for a Circular Economy]

damn the title really made me think for a moment it was talking about r/K strategies and i got all hyped up for a moment. But no, it's just about resource usage.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago

Haha yeah duplicate names are lovely arent they

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

In short, by default I don't like if my device breaks after few years and I have to buy new one with all the added costs. Repairing is much cheaper especially if it's $500+ device.

[–] iceberg314@slrpnk.net 0 points 12 hours ago

Maybe it doesn't need to be a law. But think it would be cooler if phones were more repairable or modular like desktop computers