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China definitely doesn't want that many workers suddenly disenfranchised and angry
Why does the Chinese government worry about sudden mass unemployment in a way Western governments do not?
They're walking a thin line between restrictive policies and QoL guarantees.
It's hard to explain as a non-native English speaker but they basically guarantee an acceptable way of living with mobility, housing, jobs and other stuff in exchange for control, surveillance and censorship.
In Western government the equation looks different, at least for now.
Idk if the equations are different. The values are certainly different
because there’s billions of workers to riot as compared to say a few hundred million in the US.
Ding ding ding
Because China’s government knows the last thing it needs is a bunch of unemployed people.
It’s so weird how single-party rule can sometimes be more responsive to the people. Because there’s no illusion: if the people get unhappy enough, CCP is gone.
Meanwhile the US we live with these bizarre illusions about how the people are truly in power, while our government is driven into the ground by plutocrats and their pet priests.
In a socialized economy, unemployment should be a goal. If a worker can be replaced with AI, the employer's taxes should increase, and UBI should increase.
The economy that demands humans perform work better performed by machines is deeply perverted.
I really doubt they'll actually stick to this in practice. Keep in mind, China is not a place with binding rule of law.
When it gets in the way of whatever industrial expansion, workers rights to not have toxic rocket fuel falling on them or to get paid for their house being demolished aren't even respected.
found the idiot who still believes that America is the pinnacle of following the laws and believes American propaganda about China. unlike America where pedophiles get rewarded with money and positions of power. China executes them publicly.
Hell China is much harsher on criminals regardless of race... unlike America where blacks get jailed for doing drugs while white serial rapists get a pat on the head because "one mistake shouldn't ruin a a young kid's life". (with those kids being fucking adults).
If you're actually interested in Chinese justice vs. American justice, and how that's related to rule of law vs. party leadership, there's interesting things to say.
However, a month old account coming in and fixating on race, which wasn't even mentioned in OP but rather later in response to someone else, seems more like trolling.
ah yes the old "you are a new account so anything you say is fake" defense. how fucking pathetic are you? wait don't answer that. I don't care about your delusional narrative. come back with an actual argument rather than a "your account is new so you must be fake" statement.
China isn't perfect but it's at least not run by a bunch of pedophiles like America or a bunch of war crime creators like Canada.
but what can I expect from someone who values account age over truth.
Keep in mind, China is not a place with binding rule of law.
Lolwhut?
Its insane to say that while they cut down the national forests of America for profit.
China has about the same laws on property rights as elsewhere. It was introduced in 2007 which is why we see so many stories on funny "strong nail" houses from China.
Yup, you can write anything. The USSR also guaranteed freedom of speech in it's constitution, IIRC.
People who are purely Western often forget it, but laws that actually apply to everyone all the time are a very recent phenomenon. Historically, and in other places, they're more like guidelines for what to do when there's no other major considerations.
The legal reasoning cuts through corporate justifications—AI implementation is a voluntary business decision, not an unforeseeable catastrophe.
It makes sense. Nobody is ready to figure out what to do with those workers cause the chuds of the world are afraid of what happens when you give people UBI (they want to lord over other people through wealth and inequality)
There are definitely worse worlds than one where UBI is what comes out of the AI race... One can dream.
It's not a dream. It's a requirement.
The alternative is a nightmare.
I like this, and so should anyone who wants to see China on an ethical gradient, not black or white. This is unironically one of the advantages of centralized, authoritarian and undemocratic government: you can make decisions like this, just like that. And sometimes these decisions are good, far-sighted.
Now let's not forget about the downsides of China's totalitarianism.
This is unironically one of the advantages of centralized, authoritarian and undemocratic government
Policy that benefits the plurality at the demands of the working class are centralized, authoritarian, and undemocratic?
Policies that are implemented through centralized, authoritarian, and undemocratic means can benefit the plurality, and can be more easily implemented when desired by the ruling class.
This is a very different claim from the one you’re trying to see.
Policies that are implemented through centralized, authoritarian, and undemocratic means can benefit the plurality
You're describing a technocracy, which claims benefits on paper to defend policy that is generally unpopular and requires enormous policing to impose.
But Chinese policies are broadly popular and well received.
I appreciate your nuanced take of recognising achievements where they are made for humans and humanity, while also recognising that no country is perfect and that we are allowed to ask for more from our government and a better future for ourselves without exploitation.
Something most of the tankies can't seem to appreciate for themselves.
US government is gonna use this to talk about how anti ai movements are "cawmmunist"
Nobody's considered who is gonna buy all the stuff when all the employees are laid off
The future is two corporations, eternally B2Bing back and forth across the desiccated husk of the Earth. A perfect, all-encompassing synergy.
Alien earth pretty much covers this utopia (sarcasm) already. Few huge corporations run earth as a corporatocracy.
This feels like the makings of a good one-off SciFi short in an anthology book or something.
I think a statistic I saw recently was that nearly 50% of American consumer spending is attributed to the top 10% of consumers.
Which would largely indicate that it doesn't matter because those who have the money will continue to spend it and those that don't will continue to get poorer.
This is what's happening to Vegas, the number of visitors is dropping but the casino profit is increasing. The city no longer caters to the middle class but to millionaires.
This kicks the can down the road a bit, but I don’t see how this is cause for celebration. Businesses will just open a new company and avoid having that company hiring humans to escape labor laws that relate to job elimination. This can all likely be escaped with a little legal hopscotch.
That's what regulation is.
Making things inconvenient over and over again so worse things don't happen, or take significantly longer and require more concerted effort to happen. It's a good thing. We should make it harder for bad actors to do shitty things.
Pretending something is pointless because it may not be 100% effective is absurd.
Eating is also just kicking the can down the road, you'll just get hungry again later.
I never understood this kind of argument. Everything is just kicking the can down the road, that doesn't make it not worthwhile.
Honestly I think its China just protecting its economy, western businesses are already finding that AI now costs more than just hiring humans and gives a worse output, the chinese government is just preventing their own economy from falling into the same trap.