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PS. This is not a critique to Debian-based distros. And i'm not suggesting you to skip Ubintu for Arch either. Arch is a bit advanced and not too easy to new users, so that won't do for some people...
... just install Linux Mint instead.
Are we really talking about 500mb nowadays?
I remember easily running Debian minimal with 128mb
As an Arch user I hate these memes. Guys, the only difference between distros is effectively the versions of packages you're getting, and what the default packages and configs are. In Ubuntu you are completely free to have a very minimal i3 setup (I did for several years!) while in Arch you can use some bloated Gnome UI. This "Arch is fast and Ubuntu is slow" really isn't true if you compare Arch-Gnome vs Ubuntu-Gnome, or Arch-i3 vs Ubuntu-i3.
really isnβt true if you conpare Arch-Gnome vs Ubuntu-Gnome,
So what I'm hearing is "Fuck Gnome"?
This shitpost was bought to you by the KDE/XFCE gang collab
KDE uses more RAM than Gnome.
This is XFCE/LXQT territory.
Be cautious about fucking gnomes. Most of them do know a spell that will make it fit, but it doesn't always wear off.
Trust me, it's worse if it wears off too soon.
Is Gnome even bloated? I've settled on it because it mostly just works and stays out of my way.
IDK if it's bloated or not, I'm just capitalising on the opportunity to shit on Gnome because I dislike its design choices.
I mean no ill will to the devs or the users of gnome. It's a bit of banter
Compared to i3 it is, but I admit that's not a fair comparison as i3 is going for a very specific style that is cheap to implement.
The only substance I can see to it is when do you draw the line from a modified Debian (or Ubuntu) setup to a "new" distro?
If you start with an Ubuntu image its technically possible to ship of Theseus it right into an Arch image, but you could argue the default config of both is best representative of the actual distro maintainers goal (even if irrelevant to power users).
(Saying this all as a NixOS user with a system that hardly even looks like Linux sometimes so maybe I'm a bit biased on how blurry all the lines are lmao)
I have to use Ubuntu (22.04 specifically) because I'm stuck with a 15yo laptop that can't handle much at all so I game via Shadow which only supports that Ubuntu version... it sucks and it's dumb but it's the best option. It's a constant fight against making it not auto update and run things automatically. If I have Shadow running and anything else becomes active the laptop goes into full jet engine mode and I have to pause the game or whatever I'm doing on the Shadow client, and often close it completely, or else it all crawls to a complete stop. It seems no matter what I do it refuses to stop qutomatically checking for updates whenever it feels like it via the several apps used to do so (software updater, snap store etc.). It does this a few times a day, it's so fucking annoying but nothing I've tried fully works. I dream of getting to use Linux Mint, Arch and a few other distros, but so far it doesn't seem like Shadow will expand their Linux support.
Have you tried Kubuntu? Shadow should work on all Ubuntu based distros including that, and KDE is lighter than Gnome while still being good for gaming.
Xubuntu
I use Arch with KDE and a bunch of always open applications. At rest it uses 8GB. I paid for the whole 64GB kit, and I'm going to use the whole 64GB.
Exactly! Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
Iβve got NixOS with KDE and I run several containerized services through podman. System idles at 5.8gb.
Mint user: I don't care how much RAM my system uses as long as it works.
I dunno. There are some of us who run Mint not because we don't know what we're doing but because we do* and we don't want to have to deal with any more nonsense than we absolutely have to.
From that small cohort, there are those of us who'll frown when all we have open is a few browser tabs and the system's using 8GB of RAM, twice the "recommended" spec. On startup with nothing running it's over 1GB.
It's hard not to see it as wasteful when you're old enough to remember perfectly good machines running on single-digit megabytes. **
* Or at least, think we do.
** Yes, things are much more complex these days. But are they really a thousand times more complex?
Hey! I some of us run Mint because we hope to know what weβre doing someday!
"Hey look, my old af computer works again. Sweet"
That's about how I see it. I've used other distros for niche projects (like un-bricking my OG Xbox with a 20 year old desktop, cause I fucked up the mod). But I use Mint for my daily computer, cause I'm not much of a software tinkerer... and my wife can use it without issues as well. Fuck, I do love Linux for all the hardware it's helped me save, regardless of distro
The typical path: Mint -> Arch -> Fedora.
Why go past Arch? What's the use case/flavor?
As someone who uses arch, its just stability. Arch is great for a hobby, if you want to do work, use fedora. Its so much simpler. That being said, I love arch because of the tinkering, and that lack of tinkering is why I switched off fedora.
I "do work" just fine on Arch but maybe I've just gotten used to the quirks and the DIY aspect of it. None of it is an obstacle to productivity anymore.
I do realize I'm not the average person and am some kind of freak that likes to take working stuff apart and put it back together for funsies.
Some people just need an OS that works and don't have time to waste on tinkering and fixing it every so often
That's what I'm trying to say though, I'm at the point to where it's not a waste of time for me because I know immediately what to do if something goes wrong or I need to make some sort of config change or install/remove software. I'm no longer "tinkering" with it, I'm using it. It's just as fast for me as it is for someone on a more "user friendly" OS.
In other words, I have scaled most of the learning curve cliff.
Im getting there. Im finally to a point that i can work things out with the wiki and some forums instead getting help from my roommate. She doesnt mind, she loves computers a lot. But its nice to feel self sufficient and like im learning
I'm always surprised by that kind of statements. I had more to tinker with Fedora than Arch, by a huge margin.
Fedora is an odd choice if you're looking for stability. It's a rolling distro. Some rolling distros are fairly stable but fedora updates constantly broke my shit.
Debian or opensuse leap are where it's at for pure stability. Or any other LTS distro, really
People losing their voice from telling everyone they use Arch?
3 years later and I'm still on Mint.
Same. No reason to switch as I have no desire to tinker
Ibwish more linux people had this mentality of "if its not broke don't fix it". After years of floating around different distros, I just want something that works, is stable, and the OOTB is easy and works. So I've just gone back to mint debian edition. Idc, I don't have time to be tinkering with my computer
Also a sensible choice tbh.
Fresh breath -> curved spine -> m'lady
I know this is just a meme but has Ubuntu fallen that bad?
Ubuntu did welcomed me to the Linux fam 16 years ago or so, so I am grateful but I have not used it for at least 12 years by now
Been using it at work for LAMP stack dev for like 3 years and it never gave me issues.
The only trouble I have with it, is that my company bought an arrow lake lenovo thinkbook and all the firmware is proprietary or too new... My camera doesn't work well, I get crashrs, graphics glitches... But that is on Lenovo and my company not on Ubuntu afaik.
Ubuntu bad am I rite guys!
I was going to stack 4 to 6 Arch VMs inside each other.
Now I'm wondering if I can go further...
Arch, btw