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I've been a DM for about 3 years, and have predominantly run one-shots and short campaigns in DnD5e and PF2e. I have a player who persistently builds primary caster based characters, but then won't do anything in combat but "I stab it with my dagger." They rarely use cantrips, and basically won't cast a leveled spell unless I suggest it immediately before their turn. They seem to enjoy playing despite the fact that they're far too squishy to be a front-line melee character and don't utilize most of their class features. I've talked with them explicitly about how their play style seems to be discordant with the kind of play they want to do, and that maybe next time they should try a paladin/champion or a fighter/rougue subclass with some minor casting. They agreed at the time that sounded like a good idea, but low and behold showed up to the next one-shot with a primary caster, and over 3 hours of play and 3 combats never cast a single spell, including a cantrip.

I enjoy playing with this persons as a whole. They are engaged in the fiction, and are particularly engaged during exploration activities. They tell me they also find combat quite fun, and they are requesting I run a mega dungeon in the near future.

As a general rule, I like to let people play how they have the most fun, but issues have arisen with this play style. Namely, all of my TPKs have been associated with this player charging a squishy character directly up to a significantly stronger villain and continuing to stab it with a dagger until they went down, significantly hindering the party in the action economy and resulting in a TPK. I feel I have to intentionally weaken all of my encounters to keep the party feasible in the face of such mechanically poor combat choices.

What else can I do to help drive this individual towards melee builds, and/or help encourage them to change their play style to better suite the caster classes they choose?

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[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The solution is simple: Remove the dagger mid-combat.

You could make the dagger too hot to hold and it falls out of reach (off a mountain, into rushing water, etc...)

You could make the dagger dissolve away (through lava, acid, being eaten, etc...)

You could make something take the dagger (disarming, stealing, etc...)

A hag/genie/etc could place a curse on the PC (holding anything makes them experience immense pain and drop what they're holding, anything dagger they hold is turned into a spoon, etc...)

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It's a tough spot to be in, having tried to coach them towards what would work. They might find being a martial class if they see great success in it. Perhaps a one shot where the players are all some martial build, to show how successful their playstyle would be with the right tools.

Another idea is to suggest classes like Monk or a psywarrior which can use "magic" but are more durable to hits and can skip their powers without losing 80% of their contribution to the fight.

Finally you can lean into it and have them play characters that are conscientious objectors to magic or are scared of it but they have a gift/been railroaded by their guardians. The party can adapt and roleplay around it and maybe encourage the player (in character no less) to use their abilities.

Hopefully one of these helps!

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Lots of good advice here already, but I would also suggest this: if they like playing a spellcaster but aren't very familiar with the spells available, spell cards could be very helpful. If you don't want to buy official ones, there are sites where you can print your own. I did this for one of our players and it helped her a ton.

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is the player choosing a caster for "cosmetic" reasons, or because they don't know better (like recycling the last character sheet)?

If the first, then maybe they could play a character who disguises as caster, or something along the lines.

If it's the latter, then they would probably appreciate it if you helped them create a new character from scratch together.