why would I care? the US is spying on me and they're a much bigger threat to me
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What's the worst that can happen? China takes over and I'm forced to slave my life away and not be able to get anything I want?..... oh wait..
I don't give a rats ass if chinas tracking me. Why? because I don't live in china nor do I ever plan to. In fact, I'd prefer they track me instead of a US company
If you bought a coffee pot requiring network access and give it unrestricted internet then you deserved to become a government pawn
Gonna tell my mom I got a government job.
How do they have reams of data on every American?
I've got a french press. Is it spying on me for china or France. At this point I don't care which one.
what exactly is the concern with China knowing when I make my coffee or use my laundry machine? It's not like they're interested in stealing my identity or scamming me out of my savings. Outside of the generally icky-ness of having your data stolen, what's the endgame?
Silly Answer: American morning rituals are sacred. They are to be hidden from our enemies.
Actual Answer:
Small Data sources compiled over time with rough geographic approximation (or direct geographic information such as GPS sensors on phones) as well as likely consumer information can actually form a complete or near complete profile on the habits and locations of individuals, groups, and companies, including military targets. As an example, if we assume all Chinese companies are secretly government controlled (they're not.) extensions of their spy agency then, for example, a useful profile might include:
Time the alarm clock went off + time water heater gets activated + time coffee maker is set to make coffee + time refrigerator is opened and closed + time recorded by alarm system + video from doorbell cam = Accurate morning routine, including when the house will be empty, when it will be occupied but not actively monitored (during a morning shower), if and when the person might be gone for a run and how long
If you need to target say, a general who you believe has classified information in his home office, then it would be amazing to know all of this. It'd also be easier to just bribe the maid to get what you want (which is how 99% of 'spying' operations actually work.)
If you extend that to all things that might form some amount of data on their use, you could get a total profile of everything someone does in a day in their home... or office... or possibly military base.
Now is this is a risk? Yes.
Is this a likely risk? No. Not even a little. Again bribing a maid or maintenance technician is cheaper, easier, and way, way less risky.
Then why do so many ~~Chinese~~ appliances send this information to unknown and scary ip addresses?
Because data is valuable to advertisers, and theoretically it's valuable to engineers to know how their product is being used. This combined with executives' push for everything to have an app, because data is valuable and because it makes the product seem 'modern,' fully offers a simple explanation on how and why we find ourselves here. But sinophobia in the Amerisraeli Empire is the only way the Epstein class actually maintains any control -- if there is an enemy who they accuse of doing even worse, the subjects of the empire let them do anything they way.
They flipped my mom!?
Guess I'll have to keep making coffee the old way
I doubt it.
My moka pot ain't talkin' to no one.
I'd recommend one that's not plastic. (Though I have that same one and use it occasionally.)
Seriously. I’m not really sure why a coffee maker needs to have any technology. My electric kettle is about the highest tech thing in the whole process.
There's tech, and then there's electronic tech. I'm sure the filter paper is waaaaay more high tech than the kettle. Seriously, check out the engineering that goes into filter mediums, it's insane.
I feel like this is a topic someone on YouTube will have a 40 minute video about lol
The steam from the water powers a micro rotor and the coffee acts as an antenna, duh
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I have a stainless steel one but yeah pour-over gang reporting
All jokes aside, IoT devices suck.
Why does a dishwasher need to connect to a remote server to use its full functionality? Why does my coffee maker need me to start it using an app? At that point it isn't a feature, it's a dependency that the company behind will eventually shut down one way or another.
Nothing IoT is allowed in my house if it can't be fully managed locally with Home Assistant.
My new line is "it needs to be flashable". I just got rid of my Google nest for a Honeywell zwave one while I design an esp32 based one.
I need to get my 3D printer working so I can actually print a housing for my smart thermostat.
All you really need is a temperature sensor and a 4x relay board.
Ya the basic thing isn't that difficult. I am adding other air quality sensors and I want to be able to control air exchange, humidifier, and exterior vents (bathroom fan). And I want it to be a bit more advanced/energy efficient vs a dumb pid loop. Also, it should operate if home assistant goes down.
I have an automation for controlling bathroom vent fans using a humidity sensor in the bathroom and a reference one outside it if you're interested.
It also has logic to not turn off the fan if it has a Bluetooth speaker that's playing music (currently using the "Music Active" companion app sensor, Bluetooth MAC was flakey).
And logic to turn it off if the AC is running and music isn't playing.
I appreciate it! I have one setup already, mine decides whether to circulate the air in the house or vent the bathroom fan depending on the humidity in the rest of the house too.
I like the idea/practice of "edge devices" where each device has its own responsibilities and autonomy to some extent, with home assistant acting as an overseer. if HA goes down, most of my house still works fine/has fallbacks. Need that wife approval factor lol. one time she couldn't turn off the lights while I was out of town, lol she was a little pissed
Yeah, getting my wife on board has been the hardest part of things.
Yep, fallbacks are important
Frankly you shouldn't stop with just IoT devices. My sister wouldn't listen to the HA so she's not allowed over. It was a bit of a fight in the family but the dog listens so it got to stay and I think that's totally reasonable.
Damn, which integration did you use for the dog?
Ii use esphome to flash the firmware on his shockcollar. Now when he barks the shock collar on my sister goes off and she gets him a treat.
a lot of them have BLE trackers, I can track my dogs throughout the house
The collar does have BLE but I thought that would be a violation of my sisters privacy and I don't want her to feel unwelcome.
genuinely got a laugh out of me lol, unexpected response
HA?
Home Assistant
Eyes his french press suspiciously
Bon jour!
Mine said “On ne passe pas!”, so I knew it was one of the good ones.
Kinda relevant here
Wait until you find out what they're doing to you through your toilet seat!
I don't actually mind that. I kinda like that. (secretly)
Maybe it's finally time we start kink-shaming some people.
I also like being kink shamed. (Not a secret)
If the have "reams" of data on me, good luck reading through it all.
[This is a sarcastically humourous take on the fact that the word "reams" is used, which is a measure of blocks of 500 pieces of paper.]
I think they meant what they said. They could view it all on a computer screen but if they were to print it out it would probably be thousands of pages worth of data on each person.
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I like to imagine the guy who pitched spying on Americans through their coffee makers like "we need to figure out how much coffee Americans are drinking" and everyone in the room was just fully on board with this genius idea.
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