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Well John, your organization was once very involved in regime change. Perhaps this time you can get it right?
Seriously, make a few calls to some old work friends. He doesn't have to be removed gently
He doesn't have to be removed gently
At all
The guys that make things that spin are pretty good at removing red stains by now.
I mean... I think that's supposed to be implied in the subtext. The 25th was ratified in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination. When former CIA spooks start talking 25 it feels very different from when the useless cable news pundits bring it up.
Wait, is "25" CIA-speak for "86"?
Or am I reading too far into it because I just finished 11.22.63 last night (the show, not the book)?
25th amendment
John Brennan served as Obama's CIA Director for four years. During that time - I've been told - foreign governments infiltrated our media and party establishment and legislature, corrupted our democratic process, and handed a known agent of a foreign government the position of Chief Executive.
This known agent was a co-conspirator of another well-known blackmailer and professional pedophile, serving as an agent of a foreign intelligence service within the United States for over four decades.
The CIA response to this infiltration was to... do nothing.
Meanwhile, agents within the CIA have manufactured consent for wars against Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea for as long as our current president has been a known fence for the Russian mob. They have collaborated with the known blackmailer/pedophile for just as long. And - upon taking office - they faithfully continued to fulfill their duty as agents of a corrupt and despotic president, including through illegal arrests, extraditions, torture, arms sales, drug trafficking, and sabotage.
Why the fuck does the CIA still exist again?
To serve and protect pedophiles
Heyhey, the CIA also protects american businesses abroad, most of which are owned by pedophiles obviously.
You're pointing fingers at the wrong agency. CIA handles foreign shit. FBI handles domestic shit.
CIA handles foreign shit. FBI handles domestic shit.
The DHS makes this distinction moot. We've been crossing the streams publicly since it was officially instantiated via Bush through the creation of the OHS and then the HSA Act of 2002. The two agencies have been operating hand-in-glove behind the scenes since the CIA's precursor - the OSS - was incorporated during WW2. Even then, much of the modern CIA is merely an extension of the functions of the FBI on an international scale. They employ all the same strategies, employ the same leadership structure, and serve the same socio-economic purpose.
John Brennan and Robert Mueller / James Comey even filled the same political role under Obama. They promoted reactionary political views from within the liberal government, distributed misinformation to undermine peaceful coexistence with historic geopolitical adversaries, and continued the Bush Era practice of illegal arrests, extraditions, torture, and assassination while draping themselves in liberal language to justify it.
Brennan and Comey both publicly advanced accusations against the Obama administration that gave Donald Trump a path to the presidency.
I feel this is becoming a trend for the wrong reason.
The 25th should be invoked. I still want everyone attached to him in jail afterwards. I don't want the statue quo. I want actual change and accountability. I want pelts, when we're done!
Everyone already has pardons. :/
Nope! The odds are not out yet.
Fuck your family! Bet on how many children die in the next warlords conflict.
I still think it's crazy that people aren't calling for the abolition of presidential pardons.
Seems like a system that was just WAITING for abuse.
Per the 25th:
Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue [of the presidents inability to govern] ... determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
It's easier to impeach him rather then hit him with the 25th, impeachment doesn't take his cabinet and 2/3 of the House and Senate to do it. It just takes a majority of the house and 2/3 of the Senate. Considering that didn't work the previous couple times, I doubt something that adds an extra layer along with a more difficult vote would either.
Maybe one could argue something like "They're waiting until after the two year mark so Vance can get the benefits of being the incumbent while also getting two terms" but c'mon, Vance is a charisma black hole. No shot that's the plan. IMO until the outcry drops his approval to like, sub 20, R's aren't going anywhere near getting rid of Trump, and even then I have my doubts.
Yeah the 25th is more for "the president had a stroke, but the administration is working well", impeachment is for "the president is evil and insane but maintains support with his die hards". Impeachment requires crimes or behaviors unbefitting the office, it requires you actually do something wrong. The 25th is far more of a way to remove a president without saying they did anything wrong, it would suck to get it, but it isn't necessarily a shameful thing.
No, because if nobody tells him that all he has to do is write a letter to Congress affirming his ability, he'll just pout and stomp around.
He won't look it up himself, he'll just complain on TS and remain removed.
nobody tells him
Why do you think there is any chance of that?
Vance is a charisma black hole.
And worse than Trump.
Por que no los dos?
I doubt they'll get Trump removed, but all this talk will have an influence on our military personnel, and when he orders some insane atrocity, like firing on American citizens, or launching a nuke, it is much more likely that the person pulling the trigger, or pushing the button, will remember this, and choose to not comply.
and choose to not comply.
He's been replacing ranks right and left with is sycophants so i wouldn't be so sure... plus, saying "no" to orders is not a desired trait for soldiers.
There are numerous reports of pushback by soldiers at bases around the world about this war.
Soldiers don't mind going to war for competent leaders, but they recognize when their leaders are calling for war for bad reasons, or in this case for no discernable reason at all. Apparently, they aren't as enthusiastic about that.
There's another amendment written with people like Trump in mind too, but since that one involves bloodshed people really don't want to go for it. Neither do I, frankly, not if there is any other way. Think we may be running out of road on other options though. I can only hope things are resolved before it becomes necessary. Trump is a tyrant, however and he acts as though he is a king. Founding fathers were pretty clear on what to do about those. Hopefully more civil methodology will prevail.
Agreed
Just stop. Stop with the false hope. He's in power for life, whether that's 10 weeks or 10 years. Too many powerful people are benefitting.
He'll be a brain in a jar before we're rid of him, and even then when his brain does die, they'll just fake a connection to chatGPT and call him the omega god king of murica.
People talk about this like it’s just something you can do so easily, pretty sure the requirements require the Vice President and like most of Congress to all turn on Trump and since we all know they’ll sell their entire families down the river for Trump, we can also assume they’ll die before invoking the 25th Amendment.
FR impeachment is far more likely, and with these dipshits it's unlikely.
Also from the Declaration:
Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.
The people's on the couch slowly dying or morbid obesity while watching Fox News.
No. The 25th Amendment was written with John F. Kennedy in mind. Specifically, a John F. Kennedy that survived being shot but remained incapacitated/unable to do the job of President.
We don't need Trump removed and replaced with another right wing Luddite. The whole diseased Republican party and everything they currently stand for needs to be done away with. The rot is not one man, The rot goes all the way to the core. Trump just gave the others the permission and validation to more openly be as vile as they previously were in private.
The Democratic party are no saints, but there is at least a chance of turning them around with the right people, policies, and regulations.
The Republican party, and anyone openly and proudly that still calls themselves among their members, is a lost cause.
What do you mean with this usage of the word Luddite, I'm confused? The Luddites were left wing populists. Moreover the modern day right wing are supposed technocrats desiring to leverage AI both as a mechanism of control and as a justification for the extraction of oil, coal, natural gas, and water in their war against the land.
34 felonies and 25 amendments.
So was the 2nd Amendment.
Maybe the 25th Amendment was written with tyrants in mind, but they should have written laws governing their checks and balances better. Allowing one party to take all three branches of government is a mistake. There should be three parties (at least), with no collusion (I know, what colour dragon would I like), and each one should get a branch. Voters want one party to take another branch, they have to give up the one they already have. It would work out better if there were four or more parties, one or more is just not in majority control of any one branch. Two party is already kind of a bust, but when one has control of all three, the 25th isn't going to be invoked by anyone with the power to do anything about it. And that's by design.
I don't know about multiple parties etc, but I think what you guys need is an independent judicial system that's actually willing to throw criminals in jail no matter what their bank account status or job title is.
If you would have had that, none of this would have happened.
Either approval voting (preferably) or ranked choice voting needed to be a thing from the beginning, to limit the power of extremists and to moderate power.
Frist, campaign funding needs to be capped and be limited to individual donations. But then: there are as many models of democracy as there are democratic countries. It might be useful to compare them and see what model you could work towards. In research, the Nordic states almost always come out on top. So have a look at what they are doing for inspiration.
Lol this was hilarious to read
Our parties work for billionaires. Doesn't matter how many you have. The problem is that billionaires control the system. Stop trying to get creative and face reality.
They won’t 25th him until he pardons them. If he gets so senile or believes he’s so sick that he pardons Vance and enough of them early, OR if Vance agrees to pardon everyone as president they will absolutely 25th him
you can take the the croc out of the swamp...