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[–] hesh@quokk.au 232 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (19 children)

Kamala would have continued suport for Israel, including arming and funding them, just like Biden. But starting literal war with Iran? Bombing school girls? I kinda doubt it. Biden didn't.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 136 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

What about firing all the senior generals and burning 14 years of missiles in 1 month or turning Hurmuz into a reparations toll booth?

IMO the lefty "own the libs" mentality is indistinguishable from maga's brain rot. Like congrats your mom smoked weed instead of taking you to church I guess.

America is cooked because the people most dialed into what's going on all have goldfish brains apparently.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Like congrats your mom smoked weed instead of taking you to church I guess

Bold of you to assume I’m a leftist because my mom told me to be one and not from all the bigoted shit I saw at church.

[–] CPMSP@midwest.social 14 points 3 days ago

My thought exactly. Nothing dissuades people from being xtian than being around other xtians long enough.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Biden didnt seem to care about Israel using bombs he supplied to kill plenty of school girls.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 17 points 3 days ago

But you see, it's different because the US is only supplying the orphan crushing machine, keeping it running, and making more. It's okay as long as we aren't actually throwing the orphans in ourselves!

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/14/the-jerusalem-u-s-israel-strategic-partnership-joint-declaration/ (because the WH direct link memory holed' it)

The United States stresses that integral to this pledge is the commitment never to allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon, and that it is prepared to use all elements of its national power to ensure that outcome. The United States further affirms the commitment to work together with other partners to confront Iran’s aggression and destabilizing activities, whether advanced directly or through proxies and terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Its the same doctrine that the Trump whitehouse is following. Biden supported the genocide of Palestine, under this doctrine. Do you think Kamala would have been to stop the 12 day war? Or would have even been interested in stopping it?

I don't. At least not with the level of support to Israel you describe, a level of support almost certainly she would have maintained or at least increased. It would have been more polite. Probably more competent. Maybe they would have built a coalition first. Maybe they spend 6 months sane-washing it so that BlueMAGA supports it.

But this is what Israel wanted. And the Biden Whitehouse and the Harris candidacy ran on a policy of giving Israel everything they wanted.

[–] hesh@quokk.au 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Eh. For decades US Presidents have given full-throated support to Israel. For decades they have hugged Israel's PM and invited them to Congress. For decades Israel has asked US Presidents to bomb Iran to dust. And for decades US Presidents said no. Until Trump.

[–] Hamartia@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's fair to say that Israel has wanted to push out or kill all the Palestinians for decades, yet no POTUS before Biden gave them carte blanche to do so. Going on that standard there's no telling what Biden's actual red lines were. Especially since reducing Iran to reinforce the stranglehold of the global north's oligarchs has long been a goal of the Pentagon too.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Did you not notice the Gaza genocide? Whose presidency did it start under?

[–] hesh@quokk.au 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

i didn't say anything about Gaza. We're talking about Iran

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Yeah, but Kamala and Biden ~~were~~ were not flitting off to fiddle kids with Epstein, so Israel didn't have leverage.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 days ago

Start a war, probably not

Let Israel start a war and follow in after, probably

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[–] neatchee@piefed.social 63 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Congratulations on being someone who chose to watch the world burn instead of trying to stop it in whatever small ways were possible.

Your moral superiority must feel great from the safety of your keyboard.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Congratulations on being a right wing dickwad happy to see a little genocide as long as you weren’t affected at home.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 55 points 3 days ago

"I want fewer genocides, not more genocides" is not "I'm fine with a little genocide."

[–] drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No president other than trump would've been stupid enought to start this fight. Proven by 2 decades of NOT AT WAR WITH IRAN. Get off your high horse, you aren't a martyr for anyone. People die everyday and all we really can control is that which happens AT HOME.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

seems like you guys cant even control that anymore

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[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So instead you got MORE genocides.

So who is the real right wing dickwad that is happy to see genocides?

Congratulations, you played yourself.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s you, obviously. You care so little to stop fascism and genocide you can’t even do a general strike to bring economic pain to your evil empire.

Whoever is at the helm irrelevant when everyone hands are stained with the blood of children, arguing over who has less of that blood on their hands is revolting.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

Whoever is at the helm irrelevant when everyone hands are stained with the blood of children, arguing over who has less of that blood on their hands is revolting.

... doesn't that apply to Australia too?

[–] pinto@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Gotta love the liberals invading a leftist space and getting downvoted for saying genocide is bad. Liberals sure are kind.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

Congratulations on being someone who chose to watch the world burn instead of trying to stop it in whatever small ways were possible.

Isn't that what yankistanis were doing, like since forever?

Are you not feeling great to reap what you sowed?

Don't talk about morals when your entire history is a amoral train wreck you did nothing to "stop".

AIPAC always makes sure the current president, no matter who, is friendly toward them with lots of money or likely is the case political blackmail.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Fuck this "both sides" bullshit

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Fuck this my child murdering genocide side is good bullshit.

[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 22 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Nobody is here to say Kamala is good. They're saying if you think she's the same as Trump, you either haven't been paying attention or you're one of the "both sides" criers that got us into this shit in the first place. No, Kamala is far from my first pick, but at this point a drunken orangutan would be a marked improvement.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 20 points 3 days ago

Both the Soviets and the Canadians said that Nazi Germany was their main enemy during WW2, but that doesn't mean the Soviets and Canadians were equivalent to each other.

If you, a campist, and a theocrat walked into a bar, and all said "Death to America", that would not mean the three of you are suddenly in agreement of what your opposition means.

Furthermore, even being united in opposition of the same type is still not opposition of the same intensity - both you and a Republican (at least pre-2016) would probably agree that, say, North Korea's government is tyrannical and needs to be put down. The difference is that the Republican's opposition to the immediate existence of North Korea's government would probably be intense enough to sanction unprovoked interstate warfare, whereas your opposition would probably not sanction interstate warfare, instead preferring internal revolution.

Put another way, a bunch of US presidents have hated Cuba for immensely petty reasons. But only a few have hated it enough to actually attempt to invade.

"No one is good here"? Yeah, fucking fair. US politics are mega-fucked, and that's not even getting into the question of how many Americans actually agree with this shite (too many). "They are the same level of horrific"? Not a fucking chance, and no analysis of the situation bears that out that isn't reliant on alternate history level "But you couldn't KNOW it wouldn't happen" about how the discovery of rubber duckies in 100 AD would have made Christianity LGBT-friendly.

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[–] rklm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't like politicians that support billionaires or holy wars either, but isn't this ideology partially responsible for the situation we're in now?

I understand that voting for someone who is not just the lesser of two evils but also directly opposed to our fundamental values might perpetuate a broken system... but couldn't there be a way to change the political zeitgeist without killing our own citizens in the streets and threatening to glass a country of millions?

I want the systems of oppression to fall as much as the next guy, but allowing the Trump administration to concentrate power as fast as possible doesn't seem like a fair trade to get there.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

but isn't this ideology partially responsible for the situation we're in now?

Welcome to the intent of the propaganda mills creating the easily digested, easily disseminated slop that gets spammed to this community repeatedly and uncritically.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The only propaganda is your fuck-nugget safe spaces constantly repeating "kamala wouldn't this, kamala wouldn't that" which is a constantly moving goal post.

Both sides are still working along the same line to bring us to where we are today while pretending to be an "opposition", which is exactly where Israel wants.

If you think this wasn't the plan all along, with how conveniently things are falling into place for Israel with no roadblocks whatsoever, you're as good as chickens being guided to slaughter.

Get fucked hasbara bots. This isn't reddit anymore.

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[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, only Trump was the one dumb enough to go with Bibi. I'm sure Beebs asked Biden and the rest

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Cool story about how she didn't bomb Iran

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cool story about how he didn't bomb Iran

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Cool story about biden pretending to be concerned while allowing the preparations to continue

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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Scratch a neo-liberal a fascist bleeds.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Everyone and their grandmother knows a war with Iran would mean Iran closing down the strait of Hormuz, so no one was about to do it. So no Harris wouldn't have done it JFC. You can say they are an adversary without declaring war JFC. Only Trump is dumb enough to do it.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Genocide is bad.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 16 points 3 days ago

Because there have been precisely zero other consequences to trump (/s for those in the back)

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago

IMO Trump is president because he's a good puppet. Kamala wouldn't have been as useful I think.

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