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Housing Bubble 2: Return of the Ugly

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seminole officials say there is little they can do to resolve the nightmare because the streets and stormwater infrastructure in Shadowbay are owned by the community and are not public property.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What a load of crock. There are laws regarding diverting water onto neighbors lands pretty much everywhere in the country. You can’t just put a dam up and force a river onto a neighbors property, even if the dam is on yours entirely. The same literally applies for any water. Officials can do something, they just choose not to.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I suggest reading the article.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

I did read the article. Before commenting even. It’s a load of crock. Their lawyers are terrible.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I kinda want to know the details on this one before I make any judgement because my dad was in a similar situation a while back. A new subdivision went up around his property and they installed stormdrains. The subdivision owner asked if they could run the drains through my dads property which he had no issue with. Instead they decided to have the drains empty in the ditch surrounding his property meaning he now has a mosquito breeding moat around most of his property year round.

Now my dad didn't go plug the storm drains, he just copes, complains, made life as dificult as possible for that subdivision owner from then on, and eventually threw a party when they went bankrupt. But I wouldn't be surprised if this news story is just another subdivision owner deciding to fuck somebody except that somebody decided to do something about it.

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah he fucked up. There should be a drainage plan for the build.

If a drainage plan isn't required for the build in your area, he should have asked for it before agreeing.

In my area, any new structure with a foundation has a drainage plan page or grading marked on the drawings submitted for permit.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Every single person in that neighborhood should get their dogs to piss and shit in her yard every day until she agrees to unblock that pipe. She put out flyers that basically said she didn't care if every home in the neighborhood floods so I have zero sympathy for her

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

No they shouldn't. It seems she's mostly in her right. There doesn't seem to be an easement, which would mean the pipe on her land is hers. It sounds like the problem had been going on for a long time, and she decided to fix it.

And, in typical Florida/conservative style, they didn't want government involvement until they had a problem that needed fixing. Which I find doubly hilarious.

The community should be angry at themselves and their leadership

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For years, she has claimed the 110-foot pipe — which runs along a 20-foot easement between her home and the adjacent house — has eroded her yard

Sounds like it is on an easement and she's just claiming it's not, either way, doesn't give her the right to damage other's homes. Especially since they have nothing to do with infrastructure decisions.

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

But there's a manhole cover in her yard, which is what she filled and doesn't seem to be part of that easement. I doubt she will win in the end, and I hope she doesn't, but I have a feeling that everyone in the neighborhood and the county officials have all talked to lawyers and if it were easy to say she did this illegally, it would have been said.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

She fixed a minor inconvenience for herself by creating a massive problem for the entire neighborhood. Now she has endangered everyone's property and their safety. It doesn't really matter if she's technically "in the right" if every home around her is destroyed in a flood because of her actions.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The community should be angry at themselves and their leadership

I think the article fairly clearly states that she appears to be in the wrong, but this is a civil matter and the courts are acting slowly.

In June, the Shadowbay Club Homeowners’ Association filed a lawsuit asking a circuit court judge to order Diane Goglas to either immediately remove the concrete from the drainage pipe or replace it with a new pipe. As of Wednesday, Judge Donna Goerner had not yet scheduled a hearing on the request.

An HOA can't just have the cops sent in without a court order.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 4 points 2 years ago

What "leadership" karen hoa?

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter if the pipe is hers. You cannot divert water onto a neighbors property in that manner. This is standard law across the US.

https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/neighbors/water-damage-and-neighbor-disputes.html

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't follow. Couldn't you also claim the opposite as well? That neighbors are diverting water to her property?

Edit: Nevermind. I read the article and yeah, the neighbors may have a case. But I'd like to know the full story.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

She doesn't even claim the pipe is in her yard. She says that it's causing erosion on her property.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

If there's "nothing they can do" it sounds like they installed everything without proper easements.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago