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I self-host a federated Matrix server and got my family and close friends using it. They actually took to it pretty easy, and although the initial setup was a bit of a headache it's been running smoothly for years now.
I don't really get most of the criticisms of it. I love it.
Every few years we rediscover decentralized chat and I’m here for it.
Wow, TeamSpeak is still around???
Sorta, and like the old days they claim they are working on things then take 4 years to do nothing...
Ventrilo. Been sitting in ventrilo for 30 years
Some of my friends have registered on Flux but still use discord. It's sort of just there until discord makes it unbearable for them to use but discord will never do that. They'll just slowly tighten the noose until you get comfortable.
They pay for nitro, which to me is bonkers.
when my nitro expired, I was astonished how much basic functionality was locked behind that paywall. The vanilla experience is so unpleasant.
Meanwhile on stoat, there is no subscription and most of discord's paid features are just... features. Sure, stoat is janky as balls, but so was discord when it was new.
Genuine question: as someone who has never used Discord's Nitro, what basic functionality am I missing out on?
lots of customization options for both the interface and your profile, but more important to most people is being able to use emojis/stickers from your subscribed servers everywhere on the platform. This might seem petty, but there's no other software that I regularly use that requires me to pay in order to for example, change the theme of the interface.
edit: that does not include the stuff that I knew I was paying for and was on purpose paying for, like better stream quality and larger upload size and extra shit for my server.
i love stoat, free, open, can self host, just enough features compared to discord for it to be viable
still using discord since a lot of things i use depend on discord for many things, though. and if you haven't seen, there's stoat to discord and vice versa bridges.
Ok everyone. Hear me out. Let’s just all get in the same room and play the same game.
wish it was that easy,
My closests friendgroup dispersed around the province, one in kelowna, one in enderby, and im out on the Coast now. Discord (and now steam chat) kept us close
One thing missing from most of these comparisons: the admin/moderation experience.
Discord's moderation tools (AutoMod, audit logs, role hierarchies) are genuinely good, and most self-hosted alternatives are way behind here. If you're running a community server, this matters a lot.
My ranking for communities (not just friend groups):
For just friends? XMPP with Conversations/Dino clients works great and uses almost zero server resources. I run an ejabberd instance on a $5 VPS alongside 5 other services.
Teamspeak 6 is looking reaaaally promising. Text chat, screen sharing, webcam support. Self hostable, not open source tho.
Looking forward to the first full release
out of the loop. what is discord doing to force an exodus?
ID check. This was also a few months after they had a major leak and hackers stole personal information.
They downplayed it but if it's like all the other social media platforms, it's going to be garbage.
I thought they cancelled.l the ID thing after the backlash. They are still rolling it out?
They have publicly rolled back this particular effort. It’s extraordinarily likely that this will resurface in a few months with a different coat of paint.
Not to defend discord, they’re plenty shitty, but the core ID verification premise may be out of their hands, based on the surge in legislation on the topic globally.
Bringing in age-ID verification that they had to apply in the UK and Australia globally for all accounts to access NSFW channels and to be able to take the baby filter off of DMs.
They got heavy backlash for it, and have now delayed it.
Friday night and Sunday night I could not open discord. They seemed to have an outage based on down detector. I had already been toying the idea of switching to matrix but would rather have gamed than figure that out for my tech-normie friend.
Luckily steam voice chat is straightforward and good quality
The fact that we went from Teamspeak to Skype to Discord and back to Teamspeak again is wild.
that we went from Teamspeak to Skype
Who did?
I went from TeamSpeak to mumble
Yeeah.. Noble effort, really. Except people don't give enough of a shit to actually move.
I've arranged for a Matrix space and Teamspeak server to be used for my friend Discord of about 100 people. 10 registered and 0 actually use the Matrix.
The bridged Matrix channel is only used for lighthearted spam from the Discord side.
The Teamspeak got like 6 registrations and 0 active users.
Most people won't budge until they see the ID verification screen, and some not even then.
It isn't a great discord replacement but it's a metadata blackhole with PQC and Tor support that's surprisingly stable.
Downside is that the founder is apparently a die-hard trump supporter. Which doesn't mean the app is bad, but still would leave me wondering if one should contribute to its' success via network effect, or perhaps ignore it.
He mentioned IRC but skipped it, probably thinking it's still text only. However there are now web clients that can display inline images, url preview, persistent chat and push notifications. To me it's the most KISS solution, as it's super easy to setup and self-host.
In order for this to work, one needs an IRC server and a place to host the web client's server. That's it. I use The Lounge but there are others like Convos or ObsidianIRC.
It's still text only. When I hear text only I already assume it supports all you mentioned.
Text is not ASCII only :)
Beyond text only comes voice calls, video calls and screen share, which are paramount for my discord use case. Me and my friends like to game while sharing our screens, so I game in my main monitor and have a matrix of screens on the second. It creates a LAN party feeling and it's important to maintain connection after some moved out of town.
