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American allies? The guys american president calls shit, treats like shit, demands shit from them and gets insulted when they don't like it? Those allies?
They ain't gonna do shit for america.
Japan isn't considering it. "We'll think of it" is japanese for "No, but saying no directly is rude"
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Were we not in a trade war with everyone all year? Why would they help us? Should have got the details worked out before starting shit if you were going to need help you stupid orange fuck.
Technically the straight is vital for all countries. So Trump went and fucked the world with his war mongering. And countries may be wishing to workout a deal that if they help him, they get something if he is successful, but imo, that would be a mistake, since his agreements aren't worth shit.
So, to me, the only solution is to wait and see and leave trump on his own.
He will definitely use that later on and accuse of not helping etc... but thats fine. If countries do help, it wont score them with brownie points, because trump always wants more, so if he can back out of a deal, and you dont have much leverage to force him not to, he will just TACO right out of it.
I'd sooner help Iran secure the straight, and china, and bring the entire american economy to its knees, before I helped it win its war.
And if I ever DID consider sending ships, I'd ask for 20 billion$ up front, and once the check clears, i will send my ships.
The US has the largest military navy in the world, by far. They can very well choose to "escort ships" on their own, if they're ready to accept the risks that comes with it.
The US is essentially looking for a sucker to stick his neck out for them. The British would be smart to keep out of this one, but again, they're British.
American here.
Our asshole government started this fucking war and is fully responsible for the consequences. Other countries should embargo us until we agree to pay reparations to cover the economic damage caused by the war. Or better yet - seize any assets of American oligarchs to cover damages.
It sounds like I'm ignoring the human cost of the war, and that's because the human cost isn't a concern for those behind Trump. The billionaire class running this country doesn't care about how many innocent people suffer, so they need to be attacked economically.
I like the idea of them seizing the assets of the oligarchs, but I'm sure they'd come up with a way to make the 99% pay for it like they did after 08 and like they already are with the private credit collapse.
The British said they will look into it. That means no in British.
So we’re out of nato but we expect nato to help? Eat a brick trump
And you already won the war.
Not completely muted. Spain and italy made it very clear how they felt.
Iran has already offered all countries the out of kicking out the US and Israel embassadors so that their ships are allowed to pass the Straight.
Further, my impression is that at least in Europe and especially after the Greenland affair, most of the public opinion thinks Trump is an untrustworthy liar AND because they attacked Iran unprovoked, America and Israel are the ones to blame for the increase in fuel and gas prices they're already feeling.
(There's enough independent press in most of Europe that the "blame Iran" messaging is far from dominant)
The idea of sending European ships into Trump's war is incredibly unpopular and whilst I don't think we're quite yet at the stage were kicking out the American embassador would be popular, the more fuel and gas prices go up the more acceptable it looks.
Then the whole Epstein files thing throws suspicion in people's minds on any European politician that's a little too eager to do what America or Israel wants.
At the very least the offer from Iran introduces doubt and confusion making it far harder for blackmailed European politicians to find a way to justify the incredibly unpopular idea of putting European ships and military at risk because of a war of pure aggression started by America and Israel.
Calling us is lovely, but what exactly would you like us to do?
We warned you that they would close the strait and that the world would be powerless. Now you went and did it anyway.
So.. Exactly WHAT would you like us to do?
There are mines in that narrow gap now. We need to clear them while Iran is taking potshots at us. Clearing mines takes weeks. Even when NOT being shot at.
No Trump. You break it, you own it.
The world should say "Drop the tariffs and we will talk"
Then say "No".
I'm not sure the American people have learned their lesson yet. I say let the Tariffs continue until they realize they should never elect another Republican again. I say that as an American paying for the tariffs. The answer should just be "No."
This seems to suggest that shitting on our allies, behaving erratically, and stabbing them in the back (and front) isn't the best way to build a broad coalition devoted to mutual interests, to say nothing of a narrow coalition devoted to obvious imperialism. I look forward to learning more about this hypothesis in The Art of the Deal 2.
Everyone is heavily incentivized to watch Trump sweat a bit more.
I imagine there are very few leaders who wouldn't be happy to see Trump replaced.
Why would we come to his aid to mitigate this catastrophic unforced error.
The US has fucked everyone. I've literally been angry about it for a decade now.
The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
Also suggests Trump floated the idea with the press before discussion in detail with, you know, the actual people who would be sending the boats
After mistreating all of his allies, after humiliating Ukrainians in the Oval Office, and after saying he already won this thing multiple times, he keeps requesting others to take risks for him.
Other countries should wait for his navy to get there first before risking their ships and people.
Remember the Greenland thing?
Europe remembers!
Please stop sane-washing calling any of the military or government "his". It's supposed to be our government and our military. Don't let him normalize that it belongs to him.
Lol what a child
I thought he didn't need any help with the war he had already won?
The United States needs a regime change
So far, the US has not sent its own navy ships to escort tankers through the strait.
Then why would other countries send ships to help in a war that the United States of Israel started without consulting them??? Trump, again, shitting himself and expecting others to clean him.
What allies? Like really who is left?
Once again, the USA being the only NATO member to ask 'allies' for help, only to later call all of them freeloaders.
As it should. NATO is a defense alliance, not a pedoking/kingbibi distraction gone bad. I hope the EU can keep holding on, because the influx into far right parties and EU election tampering has become noticeable enough to possibly change this in the future.
Why isn't the Orange ShitGoblin using the 'Board of Peace' to sort this trifling issue out?
Why should any sane country even respond? This is an American-Israeli undertaking. They started it out of folly, they deal with it.
Maybe he should ask his "Board of Peace" for support. There are more than enough bootlickers.
Or the ships should simply follow the law of the seas: the country responsible for the ships' security in such cases is the one they are sailing under. Let's see how Panama, Nigeria, Philippines (or whatever is the cheapest flag of fancy at the moment) run to help.
The strategy has been to turn allies against us in every way possible. Gee I wonder why they're not clamoring to risk life and limb for trump now. And lol, his first instinct is to threaten them to get their help.
He simply cannot fathom how to handle a situation where he doesn't hold all the cards. He was born rich and through his entire life he's only had any success because of combining that unearned wealth with psychopathy. He holds no cards right now.
Never has it been more obvious how important it is to get fossil fuels out and invest in solar, wind and nuclear power.
I hope everyone else leaves the U.S. and every petro state with their garbage oil and go their own way by investing in green energy, E.V.s and mass transit.
Maybe FIFA can step in with the 'straight out of Hormuz' award. Also does anyone seriously think that China will assist the US after the way they have been and still are being treated?
NO country should side with Trump unless Trump is open to negotiated-ceasefire/settlement.
Otherwise, they're just backing baldfaced imperialism.
& the minute that Trump decides that negotiated isn't on the table anymore?
Withdraw support.
Principles are what no political-gov't can have the spine to have, though.
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I have to respectfully disagree. There is no such thing as "negotiation" with Trump and his admin. Serial bad faith actors with no checks and balances from courts or congress. They have no rule of law. It's a tin pot dictatorship where no deals are ever honoured.
It is pointless to engage at any level. They act and react, everyone else acts and reacts. That's it. When Trump is dead, the same rules apply because the courts and congress are still populated with the same people that enabled him.
We can save a lot of time and money and just eject US embassies worldwide for at least the next 20 years. US Diplomacy is dead.
I thought it was "already won" and he didn't need anybody else's help?
Wtf would China, of all countries, join us? That's just fucking stupid.
This is really stupid, just from a strategic point of view, let alone from a moral or political perspective. Sending ships into the Strait just puts those ships in the line of fire...so, why would anyone actually agree to send ships there?
Iran has the "high ground" here. There is no way for ships to take back control of the Strait this way. All the US is doing, is asking allies to take losses for no reason.
I’m a tyrant, why won’t anyone play with me.
Damn, wasn't it like 5 days ago he said he didn't need the Royal Navy?