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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's sad.

And he's correct. AI "detectors" as he describes are both wrong, useless, and doomed to fail.

But there are better ways to get hints. Specific models tend to overuse certain tokens: they'll pick the same character names for a story, or overuse certain phrases, and if you play when them long enough you start to recognize "oh, that's an OpenAI" model, or "this is dry like Nvidia Nemotron," or whatever.

See EQBench's slop profiles: https://eqbench.com/

But, ultimately, the way to fix this is to go back to trusted sources and citations.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Back in the early days, my friend and I were surprised to find the same two part character names appearing each of our AI dungeon games.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah, and it's still an ongoing problem, sadly.

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

This man is a fucking hero. He’s got the concept built just right; I’ve been trying to slap it together much more awkwardly, for years.

I’m not a robot, I’m just following the rules of the language I learned.

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Fascinating stuff, and it makes sense that a more rigid, rules-based version of English would be both taught in ESL schools and learnt by an LLM.

If I start a sentence, "The cat sat on the...",

Me: "mat"

your brain, and the AI, will predict the word "floor."

Oh. I'm not sure that's the best example, as that particular phrase is something many children encounter when learning to read.

Also, British English would close the quotes before the full stop (aka period) finishes the sentence - is that something he's picked up since school or is that something that's changed since the Kenyan model of perfect English was set?

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

[British] I'm fairly sure I was taught to put the full stop before the closing quote, but that's perhaps only for dialogue?

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 1 points 3 months ago

It was that you could use quoted punctuation to punctuate a sentence, but you shouldn't quote anything that's not part of the quote. For example, you wouldn't say

The first word of that popular birthday song is "happy."

This would suggest that the first line goes "Happy. Birthday to you" whereas you could just finish after the quote: first word is "happy".

Also, compare

He said "hello"?
He said "hello?"
He said "hello?"?

All mean different things, although that last one does look very odd.

[–] mech@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago

It was "roof" for me.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What's stupid about people saying only LLMs use emdash and the sentence lists of threes, is that's exactly how we learned to write throughout our Canadian highshool curriculum.

And if you read dialog or narratation in books, its full of emdash asides in sentences.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago

I only recently learnt about how em-dashes had a separate name, thanks to its popularisation by people trying to detect LLMs.

Earlier, I just thought of them as just a longer dash and I used them when manually writing (often made them longer than 2 characters), but just used a normal dash when typing.

[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

I have not known Kenyans to be huge sycophants