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As speculation mounts that Kim Jong-un and Trump could meet this month, analysts say Pyongyang will continue to see nuclear weapons as a matter of survival

North Korea’s launch last week of a missile from a naval destroyer elicited an uncharacteristically prosaic analysis from the country’s leader, Kim Jong-un. The launch was proof, he said, that arming ships with nuclear weapons was “making satisfactory progress”.

But the test, and Kim’s mildly upbeat appraisal, were designed to reverberate well beyond the deck of the 5,000-tonne destroyer-class vessel the Choe Hyon – the biggest warship in the North Korean fleet.

His pointed reference to nuclear weapons was made as the US and Israel continued their air bombardment of Iran – a regime Donald Trump had warned, without offering evidence, was only weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 126 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

That's because nukes ARE the only path to security lmao. As soon as the first one was tested, and then fuck me used against civilians everyone watching jnmed understood this.

It sucks, and I would much prefer a world without nuclear weapons, but this is reality unfortunately. If you have nukes, you have leverage without ever having to use them

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

we were working toward a way for a world without nukes. building an economy so interconnected that going to war with another country destroys your economy too. but that shit is fragile. i didn't think it was this fragile tho.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 16 points 2 weeks ago

It just needs someone with power and without any fucking knowledge of economics but thinking the opposite.

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[–] wavebeam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the plot of metal gear

[–] dwalin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 88 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's the overwhelming message of the 20th and 21st centuries. If you don't have nukes then the US or Russia is gonna mess with you. Get nukes.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All but impossible, the major players keep an eye on all the things necessary for nuclear weapons.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Actually, Canada got in on the ground floor and we have everything we'd need. They say we're about two months out at any given time, going the plutonium route.

Then again, we're pretty used to the luxuries of not being an isolated pariah state.

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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Am German. We can definitely be trusted with nukes.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

I think the lesson here is no one can be trusted with nukes, which is why I want them.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 62 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Checks and balances.

I know that it's an unpopular opinion, but I firmly believe that we were at least marginally safer when the USSR was still a superpower acting as a check on American fuckery.

Once the USSR fell, US went masks off on the international stage because they had no reason to pretend to be the good guys anymore.

They convinced all their allies to disarm themselves, and then went full "nice country here...shame if something happened to it" the moment they were the only big dog left.

The world can't re-arm itself fast enough as far as I'm concerned.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Better to have it and not need it. You can only have respect when your facing someone at an equal level of power and respect. Clearly even if some administration does have love for your people the next administration might not.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Anyone who didn't learn that lesson from Ukraine is a fucking idiot

They had nukes, and gave them away after assurances if Russia invaded they'd be defended.

Instead we left them out to dry and started another war instead

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We did send them aid. And then the administration changed. My point is, I agree. You should never trust someone else with your own protection. Ukraine got a major economic boon from disarming. And soft protection but donating to the local police force doesn't really help in when someone decides to walk into your house anyway.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

We did send them aid.

We pledged armies...

30 years ago Ukraine was the 3rd largest nuclear superpower in the world.

They didn't trade that for a couple crates of old ARs and malfunctioning body armor

Ukraine got a major economic boon from disarming.

Completely wiped out by the multiple Russian invasions...

They traded real security for comfort, and comfort always can be taken away.

It's almost impossible to get real.security, look at Iran.

Like, there's no rational reason for a sovereign country not to be developing their own nukes these days. And that's dangerous

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And unfortunately, North Korea is very correct in this assessment :(

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

shit, i’m in canada and we are having a new conversation about acquiring nukes. USA is making the world a very dangerous place, and it’s all because grossly rich turds like trump want more.

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[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Sadly, that's a lesson I've already learned from war in Ukraine. Before it I had "hope"s and "might"s about civilization. Now I have a substantial amount less

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[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Not just north Korea, the whole world can see what happened to Ukrain after they gave up their nukes in exchange for a protection deal, mutually assured destruction is the only way to keep your country safe

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

That had to be the biggest takeaway every country had to have gotten over the last couple of years.

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[–] Bazell@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago

We live in times, when if you don't have a weapon of mass destruction, you cannot be safe. This is like having a gun in neighborhood.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The situation Ukraine and Iran reinforced that position too. Ukraine believed that the US would have its back if it gave up its nukes

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[–] HaveAnotherTacoPDX@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Shit, Trump's illegal Iran war convinces me pretty strongly that a nuclear weapons program is the only way to keep my fucking apartment secure from the despotic motherfucker. Kick in my door and millions go boom, bitch!

…that sounds ridiculous, and it is! But that's the kind of world this sadistic, brain-rotted buffoon is trying to create. And for some reason Republicans seem to think that's just great! Less than two dozen of them could end this nightmare if they cared. But they don't. How many more are going to die for these bastards?

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

And not just North Korea's.

Just like Putin is the best NATO marketer, Trump is the best nuclear weapon marketer.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Since Putin attacked Ukraine half a dozen European countries are considering their own nuclear arsenal separate from US nuclear sharing. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine, Italy, Poland, Netherlands, Denmark.

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

"North Korea's view"

Ha, yeah, it's a NK thing. It's everybody's view.

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[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

If they have a brain they will never relinquish their nukes. Not just because of the US either.

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[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

North Korea doesn't understand that you must have something worth taking like oil before you need to build nukes to protect it

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

They do.

Not oil but minerals.

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[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

reinforce North Korea's view

I think you mean conclusively prove North Korea's view to be correct

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, they've already figured that out.

[–] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Well the UN definetly isnt guaranteeing it. Who can blame the north Koreans and others for having nukes as deterrence?

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