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Here's the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):

  1. USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
  2. "Israel" attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA's airplanes though.
  • Why does the USA love Israel so much?
  • What's the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I'm not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What's the USA gaining here?
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[–] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

because trump raped children

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Pedolini’s boss netynahu has videos of him raping and killing children because Epstein was Mossad and Netanyahu has been trying to get the United States to attack Iran for 40 years. Israel is a settler colonialist project that is using pseudoscience and the political ideology of Zionism to annex land and commit genocide against the indigenous population. Israel’s imperial goal is to control most of the Middle East as an empire. They have bribed and blackmailed most of our politicians for decades and America is now going into deep debt to realize the “greater Israel project”. It is basically manifest destiny reborn

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

not to mention ehud barak was rapist , one of israeli former prime minsters.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago

because he has to testify in epstein recently so hes trying to attack iran to distract the news from epstein.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you want a very good in depth answer: https://youtu.be/7y_hbz6loEo

The gist of it is that the USA, KSA, and Israel all want Iran's current government to be toppled as they are a direct military/economic/political threat.

What's the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I'm not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What's the USA gaining here?

Israel is an ethnostate so they do ethnostate things, which means constantly attacking anyone they view as "not us". Iran happens to be on the top of that list after Israel's former enemies, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, and KSA were passified via the US or Britain.

The US and KSA also want to secure their oil regime, and now that Venezuela is dealt with, Iran is next.

Why does the USA love Israel so much?

They have a significant economic and military investment in Israel, and many of those Israeli billionaires are a part of AIPAC, which successfully lobbies the US to do what they want.

A bonus is Christian zionism which reinforces the idea that Israel must exist to cause the second coming of christ, or the messiah for the Jewish zionists.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Don't forget when you have retarded Republicans and an Alt right religious nutcase or the Button administration you get some very crazy people. Remember God is a good motivator for these people to rationalize raping children. They don't care about God's message their own delusion is fueling it. Similar to ISIS levels of crazies.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 11 points 6 days ago

At the most basic level, the Trump admin likely has plans to make bank on it. Perhaps bribes or "deals" with oil companies, Israel, weapons manufacturers, etc.

Also, a part of the MAGA coalition consists of Zionists (the Evangelical Christians and Zionists Jews [both are death cults, IMO]), which makes it easier for Trump to do these things without too much opposition from MAGA. And, groups like AIPAC have been somewhat successful at tipping the scales of US elections against politicians that don't support Israel.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

To distract from Epstein prosecutions. Also, war is a great cover for unpopular domestic policy.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

🤣 the public has the gestapo following them around and isn't doing shit. The US is cooked they can do whatever. They're not even bothering with a proper pretext to this war. "Uhhh what do we say why we bomb them?" "I dont fucking care ask slopgpt if you need slop for the public"

"We've been at war with them for 47 years!!!"

and the soldiers just do "their duty" and go get themselves blown up

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

the timing of when he has to testify, plus more epstein high profile individuals are getting named too.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

Plus the most obvious...Cha-ching!

[–] dumbass@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago

Its a lot of things all at once, theres the control of the oil, control of a shipping route, undoing what the cia did, then theres also the biblical side where they are trying to fulfil prophecies to bring on the second coming of Jesus (to probably install a figurehead to use to control people), also this helps Israel get the biblical lands back, which they so obviously want, also they want to get rid of the Shiite Muslims across the world, also theres real estate opportunities for these rich assholes to cash in on, like they're already out doing with gaza, the board of peace is just an auction house. It also distracts from the failing economy and the tariffs, the ice Gestapo, the authoritative fascist dictatorship that the US has become, the technocracy thats being implemented to replace the current system, its also a giant man baby who keeps getting his ego bruised, who will punish the haters for their slights against him, could be he's full blown Dementia boy now and no ones stopping him from doing insane shit. Could legit be a peace operation, but the last one's more of a fantasy than the others.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago

I imagine that there's no real consensus response to what you've asked, given that the official reasons are pretty murky. My take, for what it's worth at least:

Epstein was likely connected to Israel. From bits and pieces that've been reported about timelines and from the email archives, it seems like he sold information to both Israel and Russia -- typically blackmail material for use as leverage against people in key positions in politics / business. Many of the later emails relating to Trump, appeared to talk about the dirt Epstein had on Trump, and efforts to potentially sell it to others.

This blackmail material, combined with the massive amount of money thrown at US gov candidates by things like AIPAC, results in 'close ties' between the US Govt and Israeli interests. Basically, to control Americas government, if you can 'buy' a majority of the candidates via PAC funding or blackmail material, you can control the overall tone and direction of America's international politics.

In terms of 'why now' and what they gain....

So the Epstein files note above is just 'another nail' in the common american's support for Israel -- even before those links were made more apparent, public opinion had largely soured due to the brutal treatment of Palestinians. Israel as a state has been increasingly an apartheid regime -- mostly in its alignment to far right fascist motifs involving xenophobia. The US right also aligns with this general sentiment -- the people currently in the administration, for example, practically all cheer on figures like Jack Posobiec, who romanticizes figures such as Spain's Franco, a fascist dictator who literally came to power with the backing of Hitler. They maintain this notion that 'they' are the sole custodians of civilization, so any atrocity they commit against 'others' is justified and right. So timing-wise, it's definitely best to do this sort of thing with Trump's administration in power -- they'll be gleeful willing accomplices, no need for much convincing.

Also entering in to the arena, would be the emergence of powers like China, and the perceived deterioration of the USA's global influence. Israel as a state, exists because of the USA -- Trump likes to say that about Canada, but Canada doesn't really have a bunch of neighbours (other than the USA) that want Canada dead for having a history of "pre-emptive strikes" and so on. If the USA were to fall into significant decline, Israel's existence would be in clear jeopardy. In order to survive, Israel likely needed to trigger a conflict before America's hegemony deteriorated too far -- to survive without a 'singular' military hegemony's backing, Israel needs to have the entire power dynamic of the middle east destroyed and remade with them as the defacto/unchallenged 'power' of the region.

Add in to the mix the Tech bro oligarchs, who all want their own baronies -- or 'free cities' as they like to call them. These folks actively bank roll efforts to destabilize states. Their reasons seem to vary a tiny bit, but the end result/drive is the same: they want to have the ability to control cities/people, without worrying about government controls/oversight/regulations, because "they know best". So they're completely in alignment with the other areas in which we're seeing dramatic increases in authoritarian traits. So there's practically unlimited money available for any sort of atrocity that can benefit the richest 0.1% at the expense of everyone else.

Most of what's above speaks to the conditions that set the stage for the event.

As for the very specific timing, it's still highly likely that Trump is just trying to mute the Epstein stuff. What he gains is less coverage of Epstein. He is America's dictator, so what benefits him, benefits America. That simple.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Just look at how Germany was drawn into WWI (not II!). Austria started it, but Germany was closely allied to Austria and went all in without thinking. Just to get the complete blame at the end.

[–] shane@feddit.nl 4 points 6 days ago

Germany was worried about a two front war, with Russia slowly getting ready to help Serbians on the east. They decided to try for a knock-out attack against France by going through Belgium. They made it shockingly close to Paris, before their efforts stalled.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason

Usually during US election seasons, Israel lobby donates the most and demands a measely $12B in annual aid from the US, which they can recycle into election funding. This is enough to not be too noticeable, but always resulted in Israel first rule over America with total unanimity of political establishment. Oct 7th, meant absolute control of US was needed, and US oligarchy, GOP orthodxy, piled on to Israel first rule as an existential survival strategy. ADL was platformed to denounce woke climate alarmism as quid pro quo for GOP being on Zionist supremacist bandwaggon. Media as always is for Zionazi first rule over America. DNC "donor pressure" was to lose, as bibi embarassed Biden with genocidal extreme.

Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.

Difference between last summer's attack. Yes, both are with US planes. is, back then, the US and gulf colonies played only a defensive role, until Trump declared victory by bombing a mountain, and questioning victory was an insult to the military.

The, US is involved from the start, now, mistake, because Israel was going to do this anyway rationale, exposes US defense of Gulf colonies, and global economy, as an impotent lie, and keeps Trump from declaring victory in a tie.

Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing?

Their only realistic hope for Israel is that so much destruction and chaos in Iran turns it into post war Iraq or recent Syria terrorist power centers, and can be weakened for decades.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No. The US gives Israel money, not the other way around. The Israeli economy would crash if it wasn't constantly being propped up by the US.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

I mentioned this. The US as a country gives $ to Israel. Israel cycles some of that money back to US politicians/lobby groups. In addition to pure fanatical supremacism motivating the funding of Israel control over US rulership.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

how will the US support it's many many gun factories and research if there is no war? Don't forget a large part of american economy revolve around the war machine.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Oil and clout.

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today -3 points 6 days ago

The US government owns Israel, because the US themselves (politicians, military, etc.) are owned and operated by the Jesuit Order (ruled from the Vatican by the Jesuit Superior General). In fact, Napoleon (way back, I know) talked about the Jesuits being a military order, not a religious one.

Israel (the Jesuit-run 1948 version, not Messiah's ekklesia) was a part of the 6th vial of Revelation (after WWII, the second spirit unto frogs). I talked about that in another post.

The Christian Zionist love for this fake Israel is actually because they're Catholic (even if they don't admit it through different denominations). Zionism is, in fact, a Jesuit-backed system (even we seem to be blaming Ashkenazim, who are also operated by the Jesuit Superior General).

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 108 points 1 week ago (29 children)

Israel allows the U.S. to maintain a foothold in the Middle East and have an influence in the region (which is plentiful in natural resources like oil), that's the gist of it. The U.S. also has a large Jewish community that is generally pro-Israel (not all of them, but many are. In recent events, many Jewish groups in America are now condemning Israel for their war in Gaza, starving the population, all that heinous stuff)

Iran's government has made it clear that they don't like Israel's existence (due to their displacement of Palestinians, various war crimes, that sort. They also don't like that they are so heavily American influenced). They don't like the U.S. either, as they believe that they are an imperialist power that wants to take advantage of the Middle East. That is one reason that the United States deems Iran an enemy. Note that Iran's government's viewpoint is not necessarily the same as those of the Iranian people. Additionally, the state of Iran funds many proxy terrorist groups across the Middle East, all of which do terrible terrorist things, which the U.S. doesn't like at all (especially when they do terrorist things against American citizens living in the Middle East).

Israel and Iran's rivalry (and you can include the Saudi Arabia, UAE in this too) is mostly down to wanting to be top dog in the Middle East, having the most influence and power, and it doesn't help that they have very different beliefs (not just religion, different styles of government, different policies, that sort)

TLDR:

U.S. supports Israel for Middle East influence

U.S. don't like that Iran's government is anti-America and anti-Israel, and they don't like that they support terrorist groups either

Israel competes with Iran for power in the Middle East, and have very different beliefs

Please note that I am not trying to incite a political debate. America and Israel has done bad stuff (war crimes, imperialism, etc), Iran has done bad stuff (terrorist proxies, political repression, etc), both are bad in my book.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Iran also hates the US for past CIA fuckery that got them to their current policy nonsense

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is way bigger than just Israel, most of the Gulf Arab states hate Iran and would love to see its government fall. They've been funnelling literally billions of dollars to the Trump family since just before he took office again. The Qataris, Emiratis, Bahrainis, and Saudis are all openly bribing Trump, and this attack is almost certainly at least partially, if not mostly, driven by their talks with Trump behind the scenes.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They don't like the U.S. either, as they believe that they are an imperialist power that wants to take advantage of the Middle East. That is one reason that the United States deems Iran an enemy.

In 1953, the CIA and MI6 effectively ended representative democracy in Iran when they backed a coup d'etat that deposed Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh. Mosadegh had tried to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (which later became a division of BP).

The 1953 coup resulted in the Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, ruling autocratically and with heavy support from the United States. This status continued until 1979, when an Islamist revolution deposed the Shah and installed the Islamist government led by a clerical Supreme Leader that exists today.

In 2013, the CIA released declassified documents that showed that the CIA planned and carried out the 1953 coup using all kinds of abhorrent tactics, including bribery of public officials, astroturfed paid protesters, and false flag operations.

So hopefully that explains why the US is "the great Satan" to Iran, and why Iran keeps spouting "death to USA" rhetoric.

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, I do know of the coup against the democratically elected Mosaddegh in favour of the autocratic Shah. Wow, the U.S. removing democratically elected leaders in foreign countries in favour of autocratic ones that support American business interests? I wonder how often that happened! (a lot, that is)

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

yup, anyone who seriously questions why so much of the world hates the US has nwver opened a history book. there are many many reasons, damn near all of them generally coming back to a sovereign nation trying to check the US's extractive, unsustainable, capitalist-colonialism

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[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 87 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You’d be amazed at what a cabal of pedophiles will do to protect their secrets.

[–] maniclucky@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

The word is horrified, but yes.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

To distract from the Epstein files and make Trump's handlers money on oil.

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[–] redsand@infosec.pub 25 points 1 week ago

THE FILES WERE MADE TO START WARS. This multinational blackmail campaign has been running since the 80s to let a handful of rich men(and Ghislaine and her sister) control countries, industries, resources, borders and anything else they want.

Also a bunch of billionaires want more money, feudalism, Skynet, the literal Rapture, and other competing bad ideas.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 25 points 1 week ago

There's a complex set of reasons but my take is:

Trump needs a national emergency so he can implement restrictions on voting in November. He's already cited election interference in 2020 and 2024 as the reason for the invasion. He will use this to issue executive orders banning mail in voting and to ensure ICE are present at polling booths.

Additionally, Trump is very easy to manipulate. If a couple of other leaders like Bibi and Putin said "hey everyone would think you were so amazing if you flattened Iran right now", he would do that, 100%. Some people are saying that someone is blackmailing Trump because they have the unredacted Epstein files, but I don't think you really need that to manipulate Trump.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. Republicans since the 60s have only ever had two ideas: invade countries and lower taxes on the rich.

  2. Trump is surrounded by republicans and is a 90 yr old narcissist. He either has dementia or doesn't give a fuck what happens

  3. he has reached new levels of unpopularity due to his status as an epstein style sex predator of kids, his killing of americans in an attempt to punish 'santuary cities' by violating the constitution using ICE as a political tool, as well as tariff bullshit.

  4. trump when in a pinch tries to do a new "newsworthy event" to reset the news cycles. Often it will be some advisor of his that has the idea. Its clear that being surrounded by republicans "invade iran" is probably a regular mantra.

  5. he needed a new diversion and "invade iran" was one of the few ideas left.

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