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Sticking to DDR3 until society finally collapses , I am also building a nice ddr2 build for super cheap that still runs all my physical games collection!
And they called me a madman for spending months tuning the CO of my 5800X3D to its limits and also OCing my 3200 mhz Crucial Memory to 3800 Mhz. It seems this setup will stay with me until DDR6 arrives. I hope the prices get back to normal by then.
I don't think there will be a DDR6. I think the AI bubble is going to pop & all these data centers will become "mainframe centers" that your minimum spec'd home terminal connects to to do all the computing for you on "Our lightning fast multi-core super computer with terabytes of memory!"
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I doubt it. Those AI computers are built in a really weird way and have a lot of hardware that isn't really useful outside an AI/HPC context. Some stuff like the weird card to card network topology can be reconfigured but the rest of it can't easily be. The servers are rather agressively designed around keeping as many GPUs fed as possible making them kinda weird for other jobs. Those datacenter cards are missing enough video hardware (for example texture units) to make gaming hard and I'm not sure there's that much consumer demand for linear algebra accelerators. If they can't find more HPC jobs they may go under. Movie studios could have interesting opportunities here but they are still primarily using CPUs in all their software IIRC.
The clusters in the UAE and Saudi Arabia might be repurposable for nuclear weapons research which isn't great.
I don't know, if you want them to last I'd ease up on the overclock.
CO on Zen 3 X3D chips is always an undervolt, not an overclock.
Ah, AM4.
At 10 years old, it's still the platform that keeps on giving.
I'm running an AM4 Ryzen 9, with 64Gb of DDR4, and the thing cooks. AM4 is just great.
I've been happily sitting on my R5 2600x for so many years now lol. My MB is an MSI B450 Pro Carbon and it can easily handle a 5950x or 5800x3D or whatever.
Add another 2x8 gb ddr4 for 32GB total and I'll be seeing some insane performance relative to what I'm already happy with, which will last me another 5 years easily unless the mobo dies.
It's really insane how well designed AM4 is.
And I'll be running it for at least another ten...
Still runs everything well, so why not?
Economic growth. The government needs us consuming more so that they can create jobs, that's the entire goal of inflation targeting.
Ha, that's the funny part. They could have kept pumping out AM4 and taken market share slowly over time while making normal money, making normal jobs, but noooooo line must go up every quarter. So we instead got new products that are twice as much money (when ddr5 came out) that are less stable and not much better, and then to make line go up more fuck selling to people lets all do AI bullshit instead. And now we are in a world where now there is no current viable product, less jobs, and less money people are willing to spend on things that cost 5X what they should.
Youre complaining that they attempt to advance technology to acquire marketshare?
I'd agree that its an AI bubble, I can understand that at least. But those peoples money will be set on fire far more than you with a higher DDR price, as it was with the dotcom bubble; then you'll get cheaper DDR.
Youre complaining that they attempt to advance technology to acquire marketshare?
Yes, it is a colossal industry wide issue of "needing" a new product in a rapidly decreasing window regardless of the utility of the product.
DDR4 is cheaper than DDR5, sure, but retailers have jacked the price of both by the same percentage, so it's not really all that much of a rescue.
I expect people will need a full mortgage to pay for DDR6 when it comes out next year.
noo, good cats are not for sale
This is universally true, so, it’s implied they are a bad cat unfortunately
The way things are going we're going to need ddr3 mobos.
I still got mine with 32GB of ram. I will wait for it to appreciate in value and sell it to buy a house
Been running an MSI motherboard, gpu, WD raptor, and haswell cpu since 2015-ish. My only regret is that I got the "K" version of the processor for overclocking, which lacks the VT-d extensions needed for virtualization goodies like gpu passthrough.
No joke: I just built a low-end server based on DDR3. Got 32 GB for 40 EUR.
Fuck this I'm going back yo freedos.
Best games are DOS games bitches!!!!
I've been playing a lot of Doom recently and I used to run that on an old 486. People just kept on making free wads for that for like 35 years.
Can you run GZDOOM? Because if you can (and didn't already know about this; sorry if ass-u-me), you just became one of the lucky 10,000
Nice, Beyond Sunset kinda reminds me of Neon Overdrive, which came out last year. I wonder if NO took aesthetic inspiration from the BS setting. I haven't played through a ton of the total conversion wads but it's always impressive what people manage to do with the (tweaked) Build engine. Are those two standouts for you? Looks like Ashes got a cacoward runner up in 2018. I had a lot of fun recently with one called Impping, which is a slaughter wad where the enemies are mostly imps and your ammo is mostly rockets.
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Neon_Overdrive
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Impping!
Oh, and apparently there was a bit of drama a few months back over the GZDoom guy using some AI in his coding so some people switched to the UZDoom fork
I think Beyond Sunset came out first but dunno.
Yes, those TCs are definite standouts. Think of them (quite literally) as "What if Fallout but Doom?" and "What if CP2077 but Doom?". If you like either of those, you should like the TCs. There's a good Wolfenstein one (I know, I know...very meta) called Blades Of Agony that is astonishingly great also.
Shame about the GZDoom thing. People are ridiculously over-sensitive to AI anything at the moment. C'est la vie
Doom Rogue Like.
Not sure if Jupiter Hell(successor by the creators) will run on dos though.
I know it’s not DOS per se but just getting into Caves of Qud and MAN I’m loving it.
I remember playing ASCII games as a kid, I gotta get back into it. There was a program or website where one could download community created ASCII games and I remember building one or two.
I sat down to log into a couple MUDs yesterday. Didn't stick with it
the combat still hasn't evolved enough for me
but you could play that on anything capable of displaying text on a screen and running telnet.
It looks like some crazy person has been doing a TCP/IP stack for the 128K Mac, the first Macintosh ever released, from 1984, as well as a telnet client. So you can technically lug a 42-year-old computer out of an antique store and play currently-being-developed Internet games...though you won't be getting color, since that came a while down the road.
If you get some device that can expose a serial console on some system to TCP/IP
not sure how far back you need to go for that
you could technically play it on a teletype from the 1930s.
The "some device" will have to be later, though, so that's maybe kinda cheaty.
Technically, Debian Linux has been run on an Intel CPU from 1971, but it isn't fast enough to be a practical host for such a teletype in that environment. Even stripped down forms of Linux are going to be "too big" to be such a host.
It does sound like the Commodore 64 has a package, Novaterm 10, that runs TCP/IP and telnet, but I don't know whether it can output to the C64's serial port rather than video display; you could play locally on one of those, but probably not run on a teletype. That being said, it probably shows that it's technically-possible, since I'm sure that if it can run a virtual terminal program, it has the resources to just dump the text to an actual terminal via a serial port. I'd guess that there's probably some system out there circa 1980 that someone has probably built that can both run a TCP/IP stack and expose a serial console to a 1930s teletype to play current Internet games.
I’m just getting into my first MUD! It’s neat!
I agree with you that it's a good game, and it's very playable on an older computer, but it's actually not the lightest-weight game from a CPU standpoint. I mean, realistically, that thing should be able to get by with very little CPU usage and essentially none if you're not pushing buttons, but it actually uses a fair bit of CPU time when you're just sitting there staring at the screen. It's actually kind of bugged me, because while it's irrelevant on a desktop, it really consumes more battery on a not-plugged-in-to-wall-power laptop than is necessary, and it'd otherwise be such a phenomenal game for disconnected laptop use.
Go run top and just leave the game sitting there and it'll be keeping an average of multiple cores hot on my laptop at 240 Hz running at vsync rate. And the world state isn't changing -- the game is turn-based.
You can constrain the framerate down to 10 FPS
and that significantly reduces CPU usage, down to an average of 37% of a core, on my system, at the cost of limiting the speed at which the game runs autoexplore, since it will always draw at least one frame in a given state, and at the cost of making the game feel sluggish and unresponsive.
And you'll get that CPU usage even if you turn off all the graphical "glitz" have it just showing ASCII.
My guess is that they probably could probably benefit by (a) having a lightweight visual "display" thread that doesn't do anything expensive, just update any animations and draw that to the screen, and if there are no animations, not even run a refresh at all, and (b) having a separate "heavyweight" thread for game logic that only runs if the world state has changed (autoexplore, automove, resting, or the player has pressed a key).
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, which is a similar game (internally a turn-based game that's basically generating an ASCII grid that can provide some light graphical glitz and tiles) also consumes a lot of CPU time when idle.
If you want another game of a similar sort that uses a surprising amount of CPU time, Dwarf Fortress. That being said, Dwarf Fortress is real time, so one can't beat it up as much for consuming CPU time while the player is idle.
Bro, that was intense. I appreciate you ❤️
i thought ddr4 production was shutdown, are companies still making it or is this until that supply runs out too?
It's still running. I submitted an article last month about how Micron was buying a facility that had actually just opened quite recently and was apparently producing DDR4 to refit it to make HBM; faster than building a new memory factory from scratch.
But as I point out in another comment in this thread, my guess is that this is more about being able to tap the already-manufactured used memory market. There's a lot of DDR4 already in computers, and as those computers get disposed of, as long as it's not thrown out and goes back on the market, that makes DDR4 available.
Its wild to me on how little the actual need for ddr5 is in regular memory. As far as generations go I can not think of a lesser uplift. With how poor modern software has become with memory efficiency maybe they just thought you can out ram everything. But the speeds of ddr5 just are not realing needed for users. I have never seen someone bottleneck on ram speed for a very very long time.
Wat good is a board of there's no memory? AM4 has been happily humming along for years too, why is MSI special now?
DDR4 isn't as much a part of the memory shortage, though that seems to be shifting because DDR5 is jacked up. They're pulling a solid for consumers by releasing a cheap motherboard where memory can be gotten, or giving a transition for users with older components.
yep
https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/
ddr4 looks to have doubled in price but ddr5 is up 5x
The problem with this is that companies were winding DOWN DDR4 production before AI bought all the DDR5 RAM. So if no one can get DDR5, attention will shift to the already dwindling supply of DDR4 aaaaand... well, prices are already up and it's not going to get better.
