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LSD and other psychedelics are popular in LessWrong and there are hints that many of them have had bad experiences or have been abused while they were under the influence. While I am still working on a longer post, it looks like the critical period was 2016-2018.

Some of this post may appear in that future longer post with fuller links.

Early Days

Before that, Shannon F. (who dated Yudkowsky and lived with the founder of the New York City chapter of LessWrong), gwern, Scott Alexander, and Aella posted positive to cautious views of psychedelics. Scott Alexander was interested in their medical uses, gwern self-medicated, Aella and Shannon F. had a less clinical approach. SlateStarCodex helpfully polled readers about their substance use, and 17% of respondents said they had used LSD in 2020. About 12% of Americans said they have tried psychedelics in 2023 so the response at SlateStar is quite high.

Looking Back in 2021

Jessica Taylor says that she both got a job with MIRI/CFAR and self-medicated with psychedelics in 2017. She told the story in 2021 as follows:

the psychotic break was in October 2017, and involved psychedelic use (as part of trying to “fix” multiple deep mental problems at once, which was, empirically, overly ambitious); although people around me to some degree tried to help me, this “treatment” mostly made the problem worse, so I was placed in 1-2 weeks of intensive psychiatric hospitalization, followed by 2 weeks in a halfway house. This was followed by severe depression lasting months, and less severe depression from then on, which I still haven’t fully recovered from. I had PTSD symptoms after the event and am still recovering. ("My experience at and around MIRI and CFAR (inspired by Zoe Curzi’s writeup of experiences at Leverage)")

Taylor does not say where she got the idea to self-medicate with these substances, or that anyone encouraged her to do so, but the idea of self-medicating with psychedelics was certainly part of LessWrong online culture by 2018 and people tend to be more willing to talk about illegal activities than post about them. 2016-2018 was the period when CFAR switched to focus on AI risk and was run by people close to Brent Dill. Many other people in the community chip in about their own experiences:

humantoo: During my psychotic break, I believed that someone associated with Vassar had administered LSD to me. Although I no longer hold this belief, I cannot entirely dismiss it.

jessicata: I remember someone who lived in Berkeley in 2016-2017, who wasn’t a CFAR employee but was definitely talking extensively with CFAR people (collaborating on rationality techniques/instruction?) and had gone to a CFAR workshop, telling me something along the lines of “CFAR can’t legally recommend that people try LSD, but...”; I don’t remember what followed the “but”, I don’t think the specific wording was even intended to be remembered (to preserve plausible deniability?), but it gave me the impression that CFAR people may have recommended it if it were legal to do so, as implied by the “but”. This was before I was talking with Michael Vassar extensively. This is some amount of Bayesian evidence for the above.

Eliezer Yudkowsky: @Marie La I disagree and think the woo has proven in empirical practice to be sufficiently destructive to people who can’t see the destruction, to reach a level where it should not be tolerated by this group as a future subgroup norm, same as LSD use shouldn’t be tolerated by us as a subgroup norm.

Aella: @Eliezer Yudkowsky On phone so thumb words but I notice I have a belief that this is predictable, and thus not dangerous? or rather, it’s something like if you’re religious and noticed some ppl have been drinking alcohol and then eventually losing their faith, you might be right to be wary of alcohol, but if you know that it’s actually the doubt of their faith that causes the alcohol drinking, then you wouldn’t be concerned if someone drinks alcohol but also isn’t doubting their faith.

Eliezer Yudkowsky: My sense of “this seems to be ending very poorly on average” is much stronger for situations in which there’s a Leader or a Discernible Subgroup has formed, that are going up to others and saying “why, you really should try some psychedelics / woo”. Or where they wander up to individuals trying that, and put their arm around their shoulders all friendly-like.

It goes on, if you are interested in psychedelics please ask harm-reduction experts where you live not our friends!

A deleted comment by PhoenixFriend contained the following:

I’m a present or past CFAR employee commenting anonymously to avoid retribution. I believe that the dynamics of the organization grew to be significantly more cult-like than the OP and readers realize. I say all this with the hope that future-CFAR will emerge like a phoenix, leaving these issues in the ashes. ... Psychedelic use was common among the leadership of CFAR and spread through imitation, if not actual institutional encouragement, to the rank-and-file. This makes it highly distressing that Michael (probably Michael Vassar) is being singled out for his drug advocacy by people defending CFAR.

The description of Scientology auditing and Maoist self-criticism at CFAR continues, reader beware. Duncan Sabien objects to PhoenixFriend's characterization of what happened at CFAR.

Jax Romana accused Yudkowsky of dosing two women with psychedelics to control them in 2018. To the best of my knowledge these allegations have not been made by anyone else and have not been independently confirmed.

A Hypothesis

Could a period of heavy experimentation at CFAR and in MIchael Vassar's circle in 2016-2018 have given other rationalists cold feet? The comments on the thread by Jessica Taylor are the oldest post I can find where a prominent rationalist suggests creating community norms to limit psychedelic use. Something must have really scared Yudkowsky if he is willing to tell his followers "Please seriously consider not doing drugs." He is very reluctant to tell people what to do except give his organizations money.

There are many people in SoCal who could have told them that the ways they wanted to use drugs, kink, and reprogramming techniques were very dangerous. I picked up the gist just from reading fannish publications.

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[–] istewart@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This must be what hippie culture would look like if it were assimilated by the Borg

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Hippie culture had elements of entrepreneurship and self-improvement, and that was definitely a time in the USA when the boss might invite you for drinks or to a strip club while you were candidate for promotion

I think if you are comfortable saying "I use substances to turn my brain off / experiment with other ways of seeing the world / because its fun" you tend to drift away from orthodox LW

[–] ThinXTanX@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That comment section was an infuriating wreck. Nobody seems to have any idea what's going on and I can't find one good or solid point/anecdote on either 'side' that hasn't been directly contradicted or at least valiantly attacked. This is mainly due to the Vassarites spitting fire at anything even implying wrongdoing on their/Michael's part, while many high status LWers descend into a characteristically word-vomitous blame game regarding Vassar, CFAR, and community norms. The very few comments from people who react sensibly - some seem genuinely horrified and straightforwardly acknowledge the significance of these events - are kinda lost in the fray. The folks who genuinely seems to want to help are flopping around like dying fish in the comments, given that no one can even agree on a basic narrative to build on. Additionally, Rats are paying for a relative lack of structural cohesion: there's no reliable community-based place/group for individuals to tell their stories or express their concerns, no way to quickly and reliably spread messages/alarms, etc. (I think a Rat/EA guy who was involved in such efforts wrote a tangentially relevant post on this theme, 'Decentralized Exclusion'). The most they can hope for is EY coming out in a large platform to say, 'Ayyyy guys maybe these things are. . . bad.'

I like your hypothesis. Too bad we don't know more, though I'm sure other people know plenty (maybe dgerard has some insight from gathered testimony, documents and the like?). If this were a r/AITA post (imagine that!) my conclusion would be an ESH. It does seem that woo/psychedelics have been a depressingly transformative influence on large parts of the community, and I'm willing to believe the worst of CFAR. EY's distress on the former seems genuine, though I'd bet he's primarily upset at how his own mission has been affected (a man's gotta have priorities). Rat 'community norms' are indeed bollocks and no doubt contributed to the whole affair. At the same time, the comments on Vassar are revealing and Scott's retraction is kinda sus ('oop, I called him and he says he didn't do it'), especially given how confident he seemed about his pretty wild earlier statement (this also happened with Salamon - she about-faced from a straightforward 'Vassar is bad people and I regret associating with him' to 'I talked to him and feel bad now so I take it back'). Interesting that EY thinks Vassar himself is an early casualty. I've seen enough anecdotes and evidence from others to be convinced that Vassar and some of his circle played a significant role in this (there's more to the Vassar-Ziz connection than we will ever know, someone should interview Ziz lol), although exactly how is obfuscated by deliberate deception and the time that's gone by along with shifting social dynamics and the Bay Rats' own issues.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 3 points 3 hours ago

Jessica Taylor wrote a whole other post rebutting Scott Alexander's take on events (she seemed more friendly to Michael Vassar than he was by 2021) https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards Fortunately, we can just say that both mainstream LessWrong and the splinter movements sound unsafe and avoid them both.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't know much about Michael Vassar's career after MetaMed went bankrupt in 2015. It sounds like he remained close to CFAR after it pivoted from rationality training to AI doom, but I don't know much about them after 2016 either. I don't know a long profile of him like the RationalWiki articles and podcasts on other leading figures.

A characteristic of rationalist groups is that leaders refuse to state clear norms around everyday human frailties like substance use, hiring friends and lovers, and dating people you have power over. The Leverage staffer defended her boss by saying that they had no policy around senior staff dating employees, Yudkowsky is really uncomfortable telling other leading rationalists not to encourage their fans to use psychedelics.

Substance use, intense sexual play, tangled relationship chains, narcissists with reality distortion fields, and mental illness make it hard to establish facts.

Some of the woo-curious LessWrongers get grouped under postrationalism.

I doubt they have read "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" and subsequent debates because it was written by a feminist.