i'm glad i'm not the only one shitting on 3rd party/abstainers every chance i get. high and mighty morality police, usually saying shit like "kamala was always going to lose" while simultaneously trying to push the 100% guaranteed fail action of 3rd party or sitting out.

whether they're actually russian propaganda trolls or not hardly matters--they're shit human beings either way

Yes! Primaries primaries primaries.

Go and primary every single DNC candidate that isn't good enough, get better democratic candidates wherever you can. Put even more energy into primaries than into the election itself! But when the decision comes down to Churchill or Hitler, you better vote for fucking Churchill.

Everything else is just throwing the minorities and the future under the bus as a cost of doing business.

Wanna know how to pressure the DNC to pick a candidate you like? Go fucking vote for them in the primary!

Typically, the primaries get 1/10th the turnout of the general election. That means that a very small number of people can sway the primary. Go stump for your candidate. Make phone calls, talk to your family and friends and community, explain why your candidate is the better choice.

The lack of a primary in 2024 was fucking awful, but guess what? Chances are, there is a primary going on for your state right now, get to work!

Yeah...

To the people "wanting to teach the DNC a lesson", in the nicest way possible, you're fucking idiots.

They threw literally ever other minority group under the bus, and got absolutely nothing for it - if anything they actually got less than nothing, because Trump wasn't just going soft on Israel, he was actively cheering them on!

I will never understand the mentality of choosing that hill to die on... Like couldn't you guys have waited until Trump was at least off the board first.

Man was literally on his way to a lifetime in jail and bankruptcy, that he got out of scot-free because you guys decided 2024 was the time for a protest vote.

I'm a leftist who absolutely voted Harris, because the other option was horrific. I was not in love with Kamala but I did feel that she was a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better option. But I will not lie, I know several people who were basically exactly like the people you are talking about. It's disheartening.

They literally do think everything that's happened under Trump would have been the same under Kamala.

They are deeply unserious people who have no ambitions for politics and care only about purity-testing.

Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shit

How about you go out and draw the rest of the owl there? The main power we have is our right to vote, and you're saying we shouldn't use that to pressure the DNC to put forth a pro-worker anti-war candidate.

This continues to be the stupidest, least productive way to think about elections. The lesser of two evils argument may be true, but it failed to motivate people to vote for Kamala in 2024 (or Hillary in 2016, for that matter). You can bitch about protest votes or an apathetic electorate all you want, but at the end of the day, you don't win elections if you don't get votes, and, "yEaH, bUt TrUmP iS wOrSe," didn't get votes. If the Democrats once again run a candidate who doesn't reflect their base and once again lose the election, it will once again be their fault for repeating a losing strategy that produces losing candidates.

I'm just pissed off we let America have so much power over the world as it is. They're one country, for fuck sake, not the World Police.

neo libs must choose… either there is not enough progressives to demand a progressive candidate so they are not a large enough block to have changed the outcome OR they are large enough bloc to demand progressive cannidate and the democrats ignoring them cost them the election.

and they always pivot talking points

America doesn't have a left wing. America has a right wing and an extreme right wing. The closest to an actual leftist that America has is Mamdani, and America's so-called left wing politicians tried their best to make him look evil.

I voted for Kamala, but I was pissed we didn't have a fucking primary. If we had a primary, we might have gotten Bernie on the ballot, or Elizabeth Warren, or Butegig, or anyone else. But instead Biden claimed to be running, then dropped out at the last minute so opps no time for primaries. I'm salty as hell that democrats didn't get a choice. It felt deliberate and coordinated.

Some factors for losing:

• People were already salty that Biden even decided to run again, and then he forced a different candidate upon the voters.
• Status quo
• Woman
• Not white
• Zionism apologist
• Obviously dumb strategy to ditch the “weird” name calling, and placate the right.
• I not sure what to call it, but there is definitely an issue in our country of picking the “popular kid”, or “cool kid”

Her loss was a combination of many factors, including the support of genocidal Zionism. Do not ignore it.

The Gaza issue seems to have been pretty big

https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

Its very hard to discern the real reason Harris lost in the election. Especially with interference the Right orchestrated with mail in voting and voting IDs, they tanked the left's momentum while gassing Trump's reelection with actual fraud. The results of numerous investigations was that if someone committed fraud or voted twice it was for a Republican candidate... but don't worry isn't not like Trump controlled the swing districts and threw away votes for Harris.

she was a candidate for 100 days leading up to the election, against a former president that had been campaigning non stop for ~~6~~ 8 years at the point she joined the race. She was fucked over and thrown under a bus.

Also I don't think voters appreciated having her shoved in at the last minute.

Kamala lost because it was obvious from the beginning that she was a bad candidate whose only hope of becoming President was to be parachuted into the role via the 25th Amendment once Biden's mental state truly deteriorated. Unfortunately for her and the DNC, Biden's condition declined right as a key presidential debate rolled around, and his declining cognitive health became so utterly apparent that not even Reddit's tyrannical cabal of power mods could cover it up anymore.

Before that debate, even merely suggesting that Biden was senile would have gotten you labelled a Nazi and banned from at least a dozen subreddits.

THAT is why she lost to a convicted felon.

And yet still in 2028 we're going to have people arguing between the milquetoast Democrat and a republican who wants to make camps for undesirables and telling anyone left of center to stay home.

Trump can be long dead and buried, yet I feel like he's still going to be running in every US election for the next few decades. The majority of his supporters have only doubled down on his brand of politics, so there will always be another Trump.

Just like the musk/trump split was visible miles away, any figure running for president after trump will inevetably be shit on by trump and his media aparatus because of his narcissitic insecurities.

The best thing that could happen for republicans right now is trump dying because its only going to get more costly to not lick those dress shoes.