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I'm talking about programs that can't be improved no matter what. They do exactly what they're supposed to and will never be changed.

It'll probably have to be something small, like cd or pwd, but does such a program exist?

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[–] portifornia@piefed.social 86 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Honestly, it all starts going to shite after "hello world."

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shouldn't it be "Hello world."?

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 20 points 2 weeks ago

No. "Hello, world!" or you're doing it wrong.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

It was fault tolerant but I wouldn't say it was perfect. There were plenty of "known issues", and the fix in production was basically, "don't do that".

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 38 points 2 weeks ago

You may be interested by this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_verification.

Prominent examples of verified software systems include the CompCert verified C compiler and the seL4 high-assurance operating system kernel.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 35 points 2 weeks ago

Automotive engine control computers.

They just work, for decades and millions of miles.

[–] IanTwenty@piefed.social 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There was a moment in time where maybe it was qmail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmail

Ten years after the launch of qmail 1.0, and at a time when more than a million of the Internet’s SMTP servers ran either qmail or netqmail, only four known bugs had been found in the qmail 1.0 releases, and no security issues.

More on how it was accomplished:

https://blog.acolyer.org/2018/01/17/some-thoughts-on-security-after-ten-years-of-qmail-1-0/

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Djbdns was excellent too, and ezmlm,.in fact all DJB's software was quality for its single purpose. The world moved on though, and you had to have your basic Internet servers just...do more

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No; since every user defines the perfect program differently. Which should be the default behaviour(s)?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You cannot criticize a good knife by asking why it's not a hammer.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But I can critisize it for having only one sharp edge instead of 2. Or for being too short or too long. Or for having a handle that’s not shaped well for my hand. (That last metaphor is probably the correct one for the sentiment I’m going for.)

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

Software is always an ongoing conversation.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I wanted to say VLC because to me, it's the gold standard of fully working open-source software that just destroys the commercial competitors.

But it's not perfect only because society changes. New video formats forces VLC and open-source devs to adapt. Bigger video and new tech specs require VLC to update. If it wasn't for all those external needs, VLC would be perfect.

Did I also mentioned the many times rich companies wanted to buy VLC and they laughed?

[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] theherk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Ha. I still have an open PR on that.

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[–] markz@suppo.fi 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] markz@suppo.fi 11 points 2 weeks ago

The dev of left-pad made it perfect by removing it.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Is there a perfect building?

Probably not, since they exist in an environment — which is constantly changing — and are used by people — whose needs are constantly changing.

The same is true of software. Yes, programs consist of math which has objective qualities. But in order to execute in the physical world, they have to make certain assumptions which can always be invalidated.

Consider fast inverse sqrt: maybe perfect, for the time, for specific uses, on specific hardware? Probably not perfect for today.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Notepad.exe, pre-windows 11. Now it's something else entirely but still uses the name :(

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 25 points 2 weeks ago

Nah it was eternally annoying that it didn't support Unix line endings. Also there are clearly a ton of basic features that people want from lightweight text editors.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TeX. Best documented source, and last bug found was 12 years ago.

[–] fruitcantfly@programming.dev 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The 2021 release of Tex included several bug-fixes, so not quite 12 years:

https://tug.org/texmfbug/tuneup21bugs.html

See also the following list of potential bugs, that may be included in the planned 2029 release of Tex:

https://tug.org/texmfbug/newbug.html

That said, Tex is still an impressive piece of software

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[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TeX?

Development is considered to be complete, and the version numbering is just adding a digit of pi. Last change was 5 years ago.

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah you probably can't do to much more to pwd or yes or whatever (yeah I know about the silly optimisations). I think once you get much beyond that there are always more features you can add. Even for something like cd, people have made fancier versions with fuzzy matching and so on.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I would have said Windows notepad but they screwed the pooch on that one and changed it.

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[–] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

Error: Too many unprocessed floats.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

ugh, no way. It might do a fine job with typesetting, but the user experience is utterly awful and that's very unlikely to change because of design choices over 40+ years. If you don't think so, give typst a real try.

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[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For software to be perfect, can not be improved no matter what, you'd have to define a very specific and narrow scope and evaluate against that.

Environments change, text and data encoding and content changes, forms and protocol of input and output changes, opportunities and wishes to integrate or extend change.

pwd seems simple enough. cd I would already say no, with opportunities to remember folders, support globbing, fuzzy matching, history, virtual filesystems. Many of those depend on the environment you're in. Typically, shells handle globbing. There's alternative cd tools that do fuzzy matching and history, and virtual filesystems are usually abstracted away. But things change. And I would certainly like an interactive and fuzzy cd.

Now, if you define it's scope, you can say: "All that other stuff is out of scope. It's perfect within it's defined target scope." But I don't know if that's what you're looking for? It certainly doesn't mean it can't be improved no matter what.

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[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty subjective but if you're looking for do one thing and do it well I'd go with some of the GNU core utils like you mentioned, vlc & ffmpeg for AV media, and sl for being a silly way to handle ls typos

[–] antimidas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on your definition of "perfect" and "improved". Is it perfect because it does one fundamental thing really well? Is it improved by adding new features?

I think what you're meaning is, is there a program that is ubiquitous (or at least works anywhere), will basically remain used forever because it does a fundamental job that will always need to be done, and it does that job in the most straightforward way possible that can't be made any algorithmically simpler, faster, etc. Probably plenty, honestly. Bitwise operations, arithmetic, fetch/store, etc. Though ubiquity/working anywhere gets rarer the higher you go from hardware. Even your suggestion of cd, for example, has to interface with an OS's file system, of which there are several common types. What it's doing is simple in concept, but will always be dependent on other programs for the file system.

[–] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

Nope.

I've thought about this before, and it gave me an interesting thought process: AI can't ever be good at doing a large project.

It has a hard limit. Not only is it not as good as us, the best it can ever do is as good as us, and we're not even good at it. That's all it can be trained on! Our garbage code lol

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] arcine@jlai.lu 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Idk if it's perfect but I really like the "literate programming" version of wc

This is not the original, but here is one version of it : https://github.com/zyedidia/Literate/blob/master/examples/wc.lit

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

Your sentence abruptly ends in a backtick - did you mean to include something more? Maybe “wc”?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A program that just prints "Hello World" to the screen and quits.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

…that supports Unicode? Which encodings? Or only ASCII? Unicode continues to change.

I wouldn't be very confident that it won't change or offer reasonable opportunities for improvement.

[–] oyo@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

mcmaster.com is pretty close...

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[–] ellen@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Winamp! It probably had some bugs or security issues but functional it was perfect imo.

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