The fact it's still at 29% is mind boggling to me. How delusional or racist/pedophilical do you have to be to approve of this guy?
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there are a LOT of severely uneducated inbred racist bigots in this country. pretty much anywhere in the south, or any isolated rural area anywhere--that's what it is
My incredibly racist late grandmother asked me in 2020 if I was voting for "the other guy."
"no, i'm voting for trump because he's going to obliterate your medicare"
Don't worry. Her husband died in like 1985, and she lived off his government pension for 35 years.
Not "anywhere in the south" and no I'm not just talking about the cities. One of the blue-est parts of Georgia is the poorest and most rural. Not as blue as Atlanta of course, but still blue
I recommend traveling to the south before making sweeping generalizations. Some of the most extreme views I've encountered in the South I've found in states like Pennsylvania and parts of upstate New York too.
This isn't a geography issue. It's an education and culture issue
It's mind boggling to me for a different reason, he has always had his cult locked in where he never dropped below 30something% no matter what he did. The fact that he actually lost some of the die hard "I'd forgive him for raping my daughter" croud is kinda wild.
Based on my interactions, I think the delusional/pedophilic demographic is far outweighed by those who are simply deeply ignorant (no comment on racism).
It's not that they're ignoring the evidence about him, or even support him in spite of it (though that definitely happens too). They live in a bubble where they just never see any negative news about him. Their news sources either ignore those stories entirely, or spin them beyond all recognition. Whenever something negative gets too big, they're told it's fake news, or that the Democrats are doing it even worse.
This. They're told, e.g., that the Epstein stuff is all a smear campaign by Democrats. And they believe it because it's hammered into them and because of tribalism.
If my father believed Trump was involved with Epstein and the raping of children, he'd never have voted for Trump. But instead he's convinced that Trump is God-appointed to save America from those evil Democrats who want to corrupt kids with trans ideology. He's stuck in an algorithmically-secured propaganda bubble.
My in-laws are these kind of people. They voted for a lot of politicians, local and federal, because their church told them to because these politicians didn't support abortion. That's all they needed, no other policy or information required. If they questioned it they'd get ostracized from their church circle, so why bother.
If we chatted about these politicians. Typically they were not aware of the deeper topics and would genuinely be disturbed by them, but their responses always went back to, well I just can't vote for X they are pro-abortion and the church doesn't support that.
They need someone to tell them what to do and they cling to these groups because they have never been self sufficient.
Even post-Watergate Nixon had 25%. I think no matter what he does it isn't going to drop below that, there's a subset of the population that simply won't adjust their opinion on of him.
Keep in mind a lot of people simply aren't paying attention and a lot of people have made MAGA a core part of their personality; to turn on it now would mean admitting that all their social media posts, financial contributions, merch, and ruined relationships were in vain. It's massively humiliating to admit to yourself and others that you were that overconfidantly wrong to hitch your wagon to a known conman rapist.
I've found that in every US political poll, the absolute worst of the worst topic or candidate will almost always have 25-30% support. I really think a quarter of people are complete assholes who lack empathy and care for no one but themselves.
Realistically, a portion of that is going to be people trolling/giving a "joke" answer, a portion is going to be people who are so unaware of literally anything going on that they just answer "sure, it's fine", or are basically illiterate and effectively just answer randomly. The number of people who are seriously answering are going to be a smaller subset of that number, greater than 0% but lower than the true number.
29% is insanely low considering how much propaganda they spew and how much media they control.
I try to be "optimistic" because Trump is only going to make things worse, so even lower numbers are possible.
Even Truman was barely lower than this, though his were low because dipshit Americans fellated MacArthur who was a Trump-like figure in many ways. Fake bravado (he abandoned his troops in the Philippines when things got tough), shit talker who spewed bloodthirsty talking points (he wanted to drop 50 nukes on China during the Korean War), but wore cool shades and smoked a pipe, etc
Maga simply represents the shallow, indulgent narcissism at the root of American identity, especially in the shithole South. We've been like this for a long fucking time.
It's an intentional mix of low education, racist history, rural isolation, a faith-based understanding of reality, and 50 years of relentless fascist propaganda. It creates a culturally reinforced tribalism in Republicans and makes them into a sort of cattle-class that can easily be led around by media misinformation. They're too isolated, too dumb, and too blindly loyal to The Party to ever wake up to the reality of their subjugation or the evil of their leaders.
That's why they'll never abandon Trump.
If I told you the population was 29% raving morons, you wouldn’t be surprised, would you?
Just like how if we stop testing for COVID we'd have very few cases.
Or firing the jobs agency statistician because the numbers were so bad...
And our whole governmental apparatus is dedicated to propping up a brain-dead, geriatric asshole's ego so people in power can steal more from us with zero accountability.
Which would be bad, but it gets worse, because propping up brain-dead geriatrics is a bipartisan effort now.
Don't forget, "Stop counting the votes".
Don’t forget about measles. Or rather, do forget about them.
So who owns Gallup, that’s making them do this?
Gallup is an employee-owned corporation. i'm not sure where the funding for their presidential approval polling comes from
Me either, but I'm sure that famously litigious Trump didn't threaten to sue them if they continued posting bad numbers like he's threatened anyone who hurt his feelings.
Here's what that data looked like:
https://news.gallup.com/interactives/507569/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx
Dubya's plot arc is WILD.
I remember when dubya was in charge it was a global meme how stupid he was. I heard some clip of a speech he made a while back and god damn did he sound coherent and respectable compared to what we have today.
The bar has lowered so much its unbelievable.
American unity was very, very high after 9/11.
And then his approval spiralled to historic lows throughout the rest of his term...
Kind of refreshing to see Trump is the only president to never have a positive approval rating.
Really says something about the country that only Truman and Bush 1 and 2 have gotten to around 90%
Yeah everyone really rallies around a president when the country is attacked. Can't help but feel like it's why Trump is picking fights constantly. I'm sure he would love nothing more than to have Iran or another country to kill some US civilians.
Is it actually 29%?
Not that I've seen. On some issues, he's down a lot, but overall has him in the 37-42 range. Which is about 50 too high
There's a solid core that will never abandon him, and a squishy shell that could, but only consumes right wing propaganda
Working in hospice, I regularly come across patients/family members who actively seem to avoid anything that could potentially challenge their beliefs.
Step one, vote orange because R. Step two, remove anyone or anything from your life that makes you uncomfortable or requires reflection. Step three, exist comfortably with your head in the sand while the rest of the world burns.
They want to stop measuring now so they can have time to rework some of their code.
No one ever thought they might need to use single digit numbers.
He doesn't think he's leaving office, so why would he need an approval rating?
the question is: who's going to make him leave office?
Waiting for that faithful Big Mac
And then Vance takes over, sheds the baggage from trump's term, and then completes the fascist theocratic technofeudal takeover with renewed gusto?
That's doesn't seem like an exit plan.
The problem with Vance is that people don't actually like him at all. Even conservatives I talk to say he skeeves them out. Everybody seems to recognize that he's a political snake with no real true convictions or principals, he says whatever he needs to in the moment to get a step ahead.
Trump has a certain turn of phrase and flavor of charisma that seems to resonate with at least a third of the country at any given time. Vance does not, he's awkward in face to face settings and generally comes off as a big dork. I don't know that Vance can command the same loyalty in his party, much less his voting base. There will hopefully be enough cracks in the party and enough blood in the water to make things really messy on that side of the aisle.
Exactly. I don't think he can get elected. But if trump kiels over during his term, and Vance assumes the post, then I wouldn't put it past him to use incumbent advantage and voter suppression to stay in office.
He has thiel's backing, which will keep too many republicans inline. Evangelicals might not like his Catholicism but they might look past that if he implements theocracy.
The republican base would fracture, which would be our saving grace, but I think that would be more advantageous if he actually has to run in an election, and not simply inherit the position.
It is sort of respectable, they did not fix the numbers instead.
It's genuinely insane how many people here really think it fell to 29%…
Gallup's last poll had it at 36%, and compared to prior and other surveys, that's already rather an outlier:

(And yes, I know Nate Silver isn't great, but that doesn't mean that the data is collected and accumulated in a good way.)
He broke the scale and they can't afford a new one because of tariffs.
Just another company gargling Trump's mushroom-shaped member. America is so fucking embarrassing. Now I know how Russians feel.
I am not saying its not politically related but its worth adding the context they provided: "Gallup said the ratings are now "widely produced, aggregated and interpreted, and no longer represent an area where Gallup can make its most distinctive contribution."
Generally gallup has good methodology so I am not sure their reason is sound but im also not fully sure its because of Trump
and he would have got away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids....
