Please don’t run Harris again.
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Hillary 2028
Hilary/Cheney 2028, we heard your issues and complaints so we removed everything that could possibly be considered left
Dont you put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!
Harris needs to retire. You don’t lose to Trump and get to run again.
She lost to Trump AND Biden.
If she was ever able to win a Democratic primary they wouldn't have gone through so much trouble to avoid having one in the last election.
Polls are not the mechanism parties use to “pick” candidates. That’s just not how the process works. Pollsters aren’t arms of the DNC or the RNC. They’re independent firms measuring name recognition and voter preference at a given moment, and the only way to do that is by giving respondents a fixed list of relevant, high visibility figures. It’s a methodological constraint, not a political command.
The real issue is subtler. Media ecosystems amplify a handful of names, donors flock to whoever looks viable, and voters often gravitate toward whoever they’ve heard of. That creates a feedback loop where the visible become even more visible. But polls are downstream from that loop, not upstream. They reflect the landscape; they don’t choose it.
If you want to critique the system, aim at the actual gatekeepers. Ballot access rules, debate thresholds, fundraising networks, and media exposure do far more to narrow the field than a Rasmussen questionnaire ever will. Blaming the poll is mistaking the thermometer for the weather.
Those same 'independent firms' do manipulate data for the parties. This was a poll from 2016, the only way they could show Hillary beating Bernie is if they only polled her demographic. And any voter not looking at the methodology would be convinced that Hillary was truly beating Bernie and in turn vote for her. 
I'm not sure what you're trying to show here? That younger voters preferred Sanders? That's on there, but your red circle is mostly covering it.
IF this is the slate, Democrats have already lost.
AOC might be able to do it. She'd need to start now, and its going to need to be a people powered campaign. They work fundamentally differently than corporate donation powered campaigns. Any other form of candidate or campaign will be to submit to fascism entirely.
Advocating for any of the other names is about as much as advocating for Republicans directly. They wont win.
Some alternatives:
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Ro Khanna
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Graham Platner (he'd be have been only been in the senate for 2yrs, but he's got the potential)
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Chris Van Hollen
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Abdul El-Sayed
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Dean Phillips
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John Conyers
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Jon Stewart
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Shri Thanedar
The next president will be both M4A and Abolish ICE or they'll be a Republican.
Agree with your message, but keep in mind that 2028 is in 3 years, no one is running at this moment or declared they will be running.
This is corporate media just setting candidates for us.
This is corporate media just setting candidates for us.
I agree with this evaluation.
but keep in mind that 2028 is in 3 years, no one is running at this moment or declared
I'm aware and I think this is already a strategic mis-step. They needed to begin campaigning the day that Trump won. This is how Mamdani won. Its how Bernie came within a hogs breath of toppling the Clinton dynasty from within their own party. They didn't wait, they went to work. People powered campaigns operate in a fundamentally different manner and need more time to get going. However, they have the advantage that they exponentiate in how they scale. While they simultaneously take longer to get going, they're practically impossible to stop once they do. If Bernie had even one more month, maybe two more months to campaign in the run up to the 2016 primary, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Right now no progressive/ grass-roots populist has thrown their had in the ring and I think this is a mistake.
Dean Phillips needs to be forgotten. I’m from his state, I know and have run a business for one of his closest friends; these are NOT people who should have power over anyone. Beyond being HUGE supporters of the Palestinian genocide, their interest is in money. That’s it. Dean Phillips is shallow, stupid, and vain. Nice of him to call out Biden, but I cannot fathom how he is on any kind of list for the actual President. I guess because he’s not known in other places? People in Minnesota do not take him seriously, there are reasons for that - we know him.
I like John Stewart way too much to ever want him to be a politician.
I would sacrifice Jon's pleasure for the sake of the country. He's a good person and believe in him. If he announced, everyone who knows up from down wouldn't bother competing, outside of the Democratic primary where people might try to move him in some positions. But it would be a fools errand and a waste of political capitol to try and beat them, for either Republicans or Democrats.
I hate to tell you, but a hardcore progressive will not be nominated. As they always do, the party leadership will decide that the way to beat MAGA is to be MAGA.
Stop obsessing over the presidency. You want revolution? All politics is local. Start by putting younger progressives on planning commissions, school boards. Move up to city councils, county supervisor. Then start taking state offices. You have to elect progressives to local offices for name recognition.
Fortunately this is happening, and has been for a decade now. We need to keep it up.
People are irredeemable idiots if AOC is that low. Shapiro is literally IDF. Newsom and Harris are pro genocide. Booker is another pro genocide traitor
I understand the point of view but could you imagine a “write the name of the person who should be president here _____ “ system would work? I would feel so bad for ballot counters in that race.
They could have some minimum requirement that you have to register to be in the running so that you can’t just vote for your friends for the hell of it. I’m guessing this process was originally omitted to avoid that registration process being weaponized, but it doesn’t seem like this result is much better.
The illusion of choice.
Can we not pick another boomer for president? I'm very much done with that whole generation.
This plan didn't work with Trump in 2016. Republicans rammed him in where he wasn't (shouldn't have been) welcome because they refused to allow any other candidate. In the same election, Democrats let their party officials to ram Hillary through because the party wouldn't accept Bernie.
Suggest we find someone WE like and do what Republicans did. It doesn't matter if it's an "outsider" or not, but I'd appreciate it if we could not pick a child rapist and sex trafficker, kthx!
I genuinely think our candidate hasn't really made themselves known to be willing to run yet. I don't think it's AOC this time, though I think she's got what it takes to do the job. I don't think it's Harris, people still feel burned by 2020. I hope we can do better than Newsom.
Kinda still want to draft Jon Stewart because he genuinely gives a fuck, can communicate like few others, knows how to be damned serious when he needs to be, and if he were on that list today he'd be near the top if not at it, just like that. And when asked, he didn't say no. We could do far worse and still be okay.
But yeah, I'm waiting to see what happens. I don't think the candidate I want that I'm sure will win is on the field yet. But I hope AOC is the running mate, whoever that person winds up being.
Jon Stewart admitted he was in the Epstien Files. He was mentioned by Epstein as the type of person they needed to "properly present" one of their stories/ lies.
He didn't have to admit anything. He just wants to be as honest and transparent with people as he can be.
Some of his recent interviews have given me the tiniest shred of hope that he may run. He isn't flatly shutting down the idea any more. He isn't saying he will run, but he used to be vehemently against the idea.
It's depressing that a fucking comedian is legitimately one of the better options for a presidential candidate.
Yeah, maybe they should find someone more qualified like a banker or a lawyer.
On the other hand, a comedian has been thwarting one of the richest, most powerful men in the world for the last 4 years.
As opposed to the usual economic parasite from the owner class?
The things a person does for a living or a hobby do not make someone more or less fit for an elected position. Their character, intelligence, and ideals do. Jon Stewart has all of those qualities.
There is only one name on the above list that shouldn’t be repeatedly kicked in the face and barred from any position of authority, and that’s AOC. Everyone else is corrupt as hell.
Democrats spent years neglecting State and County elections to focus their main attention on flashy National races that could bring in big donors. Coupled with how Democrats with name recognition like to park their asses in Congress until they're frail and elderly, never making way for the next generation, there's just not a deep pool of talent to draw on for the Presidency.
AOC is the candidate I see available who would be the best suited for the actual White House but I have doubts she could win the Primary or the General. Gavin might be electable but his problems are deep enough they might discourage folks Left of Center from backing him and I really wouldn't want him in the White House anyways. Mark Kelly is getting his name tossed around. I don't know enough about him to know how I'd feel about electing him. He might be electable though. He's getting National name recognition with his battle against Hegseth. He's a moderate and a military veteran with appeal among Independents. He doesn't seem to have any real controversies and he's new enough to politics to not have alot of baggage or strong negative opinions attached to him (though that could change in 3 years). JB Pritzker being a billionaire would hurt him among Leftists but he could win both the Primaries and General I think. His wealth could help him rally support from both the Upper Classes and Democratic party insiders. His relative lack of controversy or strong negative opinions about him would help him in the General as would his growing name recognition on the National stage. Plus he's isn't afraid to go for the political jugular when he needs too. Personally don't want a Billionaire as president but I would prefer him over Newsom. And Kamala is a joke. She'll have even less support this time then last time. If super delegates start to rally around her, you'll know for a fact she's the controlled opposition candidate.
Mark Kelly is a pretty respectable dude who should have wide appeal, even if he's not super progressive. Pritzker could do it, you're right. Either one of these two saying they want AOC as a running mate (and actually listening to her) elevates them on my list of candidates immediately.
I need to create a bot that adds "... in the US" to every post of US Americans.
If Harris wanted to be a viable nominee, she'd be out there making waves and making news, instead of making some bullshit website "to appeal to the next generation of voters". Newsom is gunning for the nomination, but he's a bullshit corporatist putting on a thin veneer. Shapiro is Jewish and there are too many concerns about Israel's genocide for him to win the left and too many conspiracies about Jewish space lasers for him to appeal across party lines.
I'd love AOC, tbh; I just fear the racism and sexism that lost earlier elections would lose here as well.
Shapiro isn’t bad because he’s Jewish. Lots of good people are Jewish like Bernie for example. He’s bad because he literally served in the IDF. He’s bad because he’s a corrupt Israel first pro genocide loser.
i mean its not political parties picking it's a right wing polling outlet pushing a push poll
The AOC at 7% is sort of confusing.
Personally I don't think the establishment would acknowledge her candidacy. And the maga terrorists would lose their collective minds if she was elected.
A democratic socialist, woman, youngest candidate in history, millennial, Puerto Rican, and probably a lot of other things they hate. I'm sure much like when they flipped their shit out over Obama, this would be much worse
Trump won by outraging leftists. I think outraging rightists is a viable strategy. We don't need to appeal to the right, we need to appeal to the people on the left who haven't been voting on the left. The people who showed up for Biden but not for Harris.

The FDR quote is extremely dubious; I've never seen any actual source showing that he said it. If anything, FDR was very vocal about the importance of elections. You might prefer this great, authentic one for future use, though:
An election cannot give a country a firm sense of direction if it has two or more national parties which merely have different names but are as alike in their principles and aims as peas in the same pod.
—FDR, Fireside Chat, June 24, 1938
The tweet, of course, is fucking nonsense. Here's the wording used in the survey:
(Asked of 499 Voters Who Are More Likely To Vote In The Democratic Presidential Primary) If the 2028 Democratic Primary Election were held today, and the presidential candidates were Kamala Harris, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, Maryland Gov. Wes Moore and former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, who would you vote for?
As far as I can tell, this was not commissioned by "they" (the DNC). Who the fuck else were Rasmussen supposed to include? Genuinely, that statistically any of those 499 voters would have picked and are likely to run in 2028? That is a very plausible list of candidates, and the only absence I can think of who has any buzz is Mark Kelly. This isn't manufacturing consent; this is a poll designed to return useful data. "Instead of deciding who you want"? Yeah, no shit; that's because primaries are limited to people who are popular and determined enough to get on the ballot. Would it have actually made a difference if they'd put "Other (please specify)"? Not realistically, no, and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.
If anything, not including a list of candidates would likely even further centralize the responses around one or two well-known candidates, because most voters aren't familiar enough with politics to keep track of potential primary candidates.
This complaint is incoherent.
Welcome to “sabby sabs” and Lemmy. Where some random shit from a conservative pollster is of course an indictment of the liberal party. This sort of nonsensical dribble was all over Lemmy last election and will likely pick up more into mid terms.
Corporate Democrats begone.