Java is poison for the mind
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Why do people feel this way?
I'm genuinely curious as I'd think having a wider swathe of coding experience would be a good thing wouldn't it?
I don't work in fields that use coding expertise, I drive a forklift so I'm out of my wheel house when it comes to coding.
Java used to lack many features to make the stuff you wanted it to do, so most Java programmers adapted design patterns to solve these problems.
Honestly, older versions of Java are utter garbage DX. The only reason it got so popular was because of aggressive enterprise marketing and it worked. How can a language lack such an essential feature as default parameters?
So, anyway after the great hype Java lost its marketshare, and developers were forced to learn another technologies. And of course, instead of looking for language-native way of solving problems, they just used same design patterns.
And thus MoveAdapterStrategyFactoryFactories were in places where simple lambda function would do the same thing, just not abstracted away three layers above. Obviously used once in the entire codebase.
Imo the only really good thing about Java was JVM, while it was not perfect, it actually delivered what it promised.
This is the only necessary comment in the entire thread, thanks for explaining
Java in a large way has been eclipsed by most other languages, and developers kind of have a way of making fun of old technologies, like a lot of the same jokes are made about PHP which is still very popular but outdated. In reality Java is also still incredibly popular and knowing it is certainly a benefit. It's just a collective joke.
Not sure either. Best guesses are a combination of elitism, ignorance, preconceptions, groupthink, and insincere memeing.
Do you have a link to this job posting? That’s exactly me. Not a joke.
Ruling Javascript and Python programmers out would be more sane imho. Java sucks, but at least its typed and doesn't implement weird semantics.
Did NOT expect to see Rust mentioned. Happy it's getting recognized.
Isnt there Rust in the linux kernel now? Would be kinda crazy if it didnt get noticed by now...
Rust is the Celeste of programming languages.
Whos celeste?
The only Celeste I know is a difficult video game where I always get stuck when playing
Celeste is a critically acclaimed indie game. It became a meme to call it a "hidden gem" because for a while it was being brought up constantly on various forums as some underrated game, even though it was quite well-known and highly rated.
Maybe they want to avoid java coding patterns. FactoryFactoryGenerator kind of stuff. Maybe they want to teach their own java coding patterns and want someone coming in with a blank slate so they don't have to unlearn habits. Maybe they're tired of diploma mill programmers applying and are using this as a resume filter tripwire.
It might be to see who is reading the posting and tailoring their reply. Kinda like a "no green M&Ms" rider.
Definitely the first. I work in ML, and I find for instance people with background mainly in c# to be the least fit for my field, particularly if they have long experience. So I understand this kind of requests
Definitely. Horror story time.
We had an outside contractor bring us some code once that was thousands of lines of Python to do a very simple job. I was perplexed. I dove in to figure out what the problem was, and somehow I was looking at the most Java-esque Python code I could imagine. What’s worse is that he implemented his own “Java style” property getters and setters for all the Python classes, which obviously aren’t needed because you can simply access properties directly. In the end I took an 80 line snippet of his code (which actually did the work we needed), swapped out all the getters and setters, and deleted all the rest.
You can always tell when someone's been a career contractor because they never adhere to any of the established patterns/styles in the codebase.
I disagree. Good career contractors should learn to write in the code style of the project. And the real pros do.
Did you pay by the SLOC?
That's not to say that python coding habits are the best either -- certainly they're terrible when translating outside of python (most of the time). And even within python, someone who is used to with only the base modules will write it differently than writing PyQt and still completely different than someone doing numpy code... because the styles of coding of the underlying system change your coding mode. Like, my variables are all CamelCase when doing user interfaces with Qt because it makes sense there, stylistically.
This is pretty common with outside contractors.
We just come in, say we'll pay them x dollars and they give us code that passes the test. But that code will not at all align with any prior patterns.
I absolutely know I'm guilty of it when I do freelancing. Sorry.
ability to bring up hardware
In conversation?
You need to raise it suckling at your teet until you send it off to college.
Real-time operating system implies the existence of a turn-based operating system.
Well, that's... not wrong. The time-sharing OSes take turns assigning resources too tasks.