That comment also sucks when working holidays, particularly Thanksgiving. "They should let you be with your families!" Ok thanks, get out!
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Most of the time, it's the store being open that causes customers to come in. People expect places to be closed on holidays, so they check online. If the store's listing on Google Maps or whatever confirms it is indeed closed, most people will just say "oh dang, too bad". If it actually ends up being open then they go, buy their stuff, and then make a sympathetic comment to the employees.
I agree and that's how i operate. However the counter argument to this is, if a store is open and no one shows up at all then next year they will not open because there was not a single sale. Not sure how acurate that is in terms of corporate BS but that is the general counter argument i hear.
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The catch 22 is that the companies are opening on these days to catch the customers that come out. People go because the store is open, the store is open because people go. If people consistently, collectively didn't go in, the stores would close.
but what fraction of those people are those that wouldn't just go the day before or after closure instead?
The only gain the store is making is customers who need something that day and will go to another open store instead
Exactly...? If no one goes in, the store gains no benefit (only expending the cost of being open). But stores will open just on the off chance of customers coming in. And customers do go in, because the stores are open. Sometimes they go in and don't even buy anything.
If you want retail employees to be able to spend holidays with their families, don't go shopping on holidays. Make it unprofitable to be open.
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Exactly.
"Stfu, I need my stat pay"
Yeah that's why, if I say anything, I just thank them for being there.
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The entire economy can't just shut down because of some snow. Realisitically the most dangerous part about that weather is the driving, if we just built public transit, their commute wouldn't even be that different from a sunny day. If you dress for the weather you'll be fine.
Yes it can.
Is this a technical argument like, "It absolutely can shut down. It shouldn't, but it can."
Or are you arguing that it should shut down for a day? If so, do mean for holidays or more like a general strike? In either case, would there be exceptions?
The economy will survive if businesses aren't open for a day or two in places the weather is angry
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But why can't the economy shut down for a few days?
In the past the economy had to shut down because of bad weather regularly, now we have all those machines and produce much more efficiently.
The economy is tired. It needs to shut down sometimes. :(
Have you hugged your economy today? ;_;
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That's one way of saying you haven't commuted by bus, train, or subway in your entire life, I guess.
Yeah, public transit is great for many reasons, but reliability in bad weather is not one of them.
Maybe you've just never got to use good, high quality public transit.
It's a region dependant luxury. Where I live, transit has tons of tweakers and unstable people. Especially during winter. The city doesn't bother cleaning blood off the walls for weeks after a stabbing.
I'd love some proper investment into transit and security on said transit, but I'm not holding my breath
Probably not the best in the world, but I would consider my city's public transit network way above the average for what I know. It's lovely most of the time, just not at rush hours when millions of people have to be moved at the same time, and specially in bad weather. I'm not sure what your standard for high quality is but I'd bet that even the best one gets overwhelmed in these situations and it's an absolute hell to ride as well.
Edit: even though I think it is still good, It just came to mind that trains have been crashing as of lately in my country. So the quality could fall due to corruption and capitalism at any moment really...
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In Hong Kong, after a Category 5-equivalent typhoon hit, the metro system was back up again within two days with apologetic announcements that some trains were slightly delayed due to debris on the track.
if we built public transit
It's almost like they're implying it needs expansion and improvements. Maybe if you read past the first sentence without waiting to be immediately outraged, you'd have caught that.
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Public transit suffers in bad weather just as much as car traffic.
Trains just end up moving slower, trees fall down on tracks. Busses are just big cars and need to drive on the same roads as the cars do.
Subways give zero shits about inclement weather.
In my city there are many stretches that run in the surface. The station I took when I was a kid gets veniced once a year or every other year when it pours and shuts the entire line or maybe just a chunk in the middle of it. It's very much affected by the wether, maybe a bit more than roads since they always set up an auxiliary bus line to cover any shut down.
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Tell that to the danish public transit system shitting itself because we're getting a bit of snow tonight. In reality, there's a better chance of you being able to drive your car to work, than the train being able to go. Because your car isn't bound by minimum speeds, but if the train can only go 10 mph because of snow and ice on the track, it's just not feasible to run it.
That sounds like an infrastructure specific problem. Many countries have trains that work reliably in snowy conditions or have train cars designed to clear tracks for other trains.
If no one plowed or maintained the roads, your car would struggle too.
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When there was some ice and snow in my country, the cars and busses didn't work. Trains were still going, so more reliable indeed.
If a job doesn’t pay well enough for snow tires it must not be that important
Snow tires make roads safer in winter but certainly aren't nearly as safe as a train or tram on rails would be. You having snow tires also has no effect on the other motorists, whom may choose not to use snow tires.
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"They make you work on a holiday?" says the reason they make you work on a holiday.
It isn't like they can send you home. I know, I know, no raindrop feels responsible for the storm, but the people who give half a shit aren't nearly numerous enough to get companies to stop this, even if all of them stopped going.
Also on something like blisteringly humid 40°C days, where you're only doing inside service but tables insist on eating outside
Like bro, I'm a person too
It works both ways. When it's -10°C outside and you walk into a store where the thermostat is set to a cozy 27 and the employees are walking around with short sleeve t-shirts. You spend 2 minutes 37 seconds inside, and leave with your balls drenched in sweat.
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I don't mind as long as it's said gratefully. Like they hoped for a miracle and you're it.
I don't have much guilt over using a grocery store or gas station on a holiday. Retail or restaurants, on the other hand, I'll try to avoid. Not all businesses are equal in daily necessity.
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Just make law forbidding people to work some days. Capatilatist will keep their shop open when they burn if they can get away with it.
Look it's just fun to go out in the snow 😅
in the winter, I push my errands out until there's enough snow to slide around in, if I have to drive
you're telling me that I get to go drift (reponsibly, of course), I get a basically empty store with nobody blocking the aisles or anything, the parking lot is wide open, and the checkouts have no lines? fucking sign me up
I really think the argument that "people who go into stores are the reason the store is open" is kind of dumb. The reason the store is open is because the owners want to make more money, and they think they can do that by staying open. I had to do the errand sooner or later anyways, it makes no difference to the amount of money I am spending at your store if I go in today or tomorrow. but it's more fun and convenient for me to go today. if you were closed because of the weather, I would be mildly disappointed, and then forget about it in 3 minutes because I'm having fun sliding around.
blaming the customer in this situation is like blaming the customer for your boss paying you below minimum wage.
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My first self realization moment was a black Thursday. I said pretty much the same, reflected on it later as most neurodivergents do. And haven't gone to a black Friday/Thursday since. One I didn't need the shit, two if I really want it then I can wait a day.
Me when there's blizzard conditions outside and three people have died but Taco Bell is still open
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