Ask Lemmy

Locking this thread. Too much pointless fighting happening and reports going out.

Obviously this is my opinion based off observations I've made, and not every user or sub in each instance falls under this generalization.

Both instances have a lot of users, and they have ideological differences, so they inevitably butt heads. Depending on who you ask, ML mainly has socialists, communists, or tankies. World seems to be more centrist leaning to the left, but it seems to be accepting of a more varied range of political opinions. Considering a lot of Lemmy users came from Reddit, I think a comparison can be drawn. My opinion is that World users have an ideology similar to most of Reddit and seem more likely to have left Reddit because they took issue with specific Reddit admin policies. On the other hand, ML users would have had an ideology that was more fringe for Reddit, and while they may have had issues with Reddit admins as well, they seem more likely to have left Reddit because their views were not well accepted among Reddit's general population.

The Lemmy devs run .ml, and were/are part of a community revolving around the contrarian idea that anti-Western dictatorships are actually the good guys and all working together (somehow, despite visibly hating each other a lot of the time).

The basic idea was always going to push some users to other instances, and then the adherents acting like conspiracy theorists often do pushed away a lot more. Some of the most aggressive instances are outright blocked by .world, IIRC.

My only issue with .ml that it’s pretty much lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net in disguise. They are simply not being honest about who the instance is for.

Don’t misunderstand. I don’t have anything against any of them, but they should really just be honest who lemmy.ml is for. Just like lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net is.

Lemmygrad.ml first rule is: No capitalist apologia / anti-communism.

This is pretty much a hidden rule on Lemmy.ml.

I remember a long time ago when Nutomic was hosting peertube.social. There, the rules was very honest and you knew what you signed up for in the instance. So why not just do that now as well?

Hint: look at Dessalines modlog

Can be wrong about it, but a noticeable percentage of Lemmy.ml comunities and users are totally normal. The real issue is in a few admins and mods that flood the instance with delusional pro-Russian propaganda, love to USSR, Lenin and etc. And strictly removing anyone who is against it. Thus leaving on instance only people that support this propaganda and the ones who don't protest against it. This creates a concentrated userbase with ideology and mindset unacceptable for a huge part of Lemmy.world userbase.

So, in conclusion, battle between Lemmy.ml and Lemmy.world is mostly because of politics and ideologies.

Just my own personal experience but by far most of the worst experiences I have on here come from .world users. Though to be fair bunch of them did move to piefed.

.world is full of apologists and denialists for western imperialism

.ml is full of tankies who think that ALL Americans are fascists (even those of us currently being terrorized by fascists).

FSM help you if you ever try to inject sanity into one of their "debates"

You guys ever notice how the .ml crowd comes out in droves to defend each other?

They probably have a discord where they coordinate actions so that none of them have to defend their cult alone.

It's pretty sad.

Both sides use it as testing grounds for bots and propaganda before taking them to real social media.

World users are just mad that the lemmy devs use ML which means they can't verifiably call them uneducated morons, and ML users are mad that the World users are just smart enough to know the difference between socialism and communism that they won't just auto buy into it lol.

ML is run by heavily-indoctrinated communists. They're the type that straight up worship communist leaders.

lemmy.world is kind of run by pussies. They blocked the piracy sublemmy for no real reason other than that.

It doesn't surprise me they are butting heads. Hopefully the instances that allow interaction with both instances triumph over those that try to restrict access.

Visit ML before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization including the deaths of most to nearly all peoples therein.

Whereas LW does not want that, go figure. 🤷‍♀️

Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.

I don't know but this is not the way to look good if people are trying to leave Reddit's shit.

They're going to see this stupid sissy slap-fight and go "aw, fuck dude, I left Reddit for this?" and then turn away.

Good job, dumbasses.

I just want to add to the discussion that I think it's perfectly healthy if two instances don't like each other and/or have different outlooks - it's the beauty of the fediverse and having decentralisation that they don't have to agree on everything.

Some of see the world as it is and ML can't see how full of it they are.

Edit: I feel only satisfaction and validation when I get downvoted for setting the tankies straight.

Oooh a honeypot of group-think users to block. Thanks OP!

The stereotype is that Lemmy.ml wants to play with Stalin's balls. Lemmy.world wants to play with, I don't know, Obama's balls? With Bernie, Bill Clinton, and Reagan watching from the corner?

Something like that, anyway.

.world is basically a bunch of neoliberals who think anything to the left of Reagan are tankies.

ML is run by people who are not only communist, but also communists can do no wrong, capitalists can do no right. Just being communist most of us could live with, but the second is a problem. When someone cannot agree things like genocides that various communist governments are a bad it is really hard to have productive conversations.