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ah, that's an interesting distinction - Black folks cannot avoid their fate as Black, but cops absolutely can choose a different profession.

In the past I have often wondered about the way the police profession preys on poor people (much like how recruitment of soldiers targets the most poor and desperate), and so historically I've favored a view that sees the process of becoming a police officer as at least somewhat coercive - there are economic factors that are coercive, but also a hegemonic culture of recruitment and indoctrination that is relevant to why the least educated and privileged among us become cops. That indoctrination does lead those people to become class traitors, but I also think within the same context, some people choose to take a different path - so I don't see that system of coercion as total in the sense that cops don't have any relevant choice or moral responsibility.

Regardless, it's categorically different than being an oppressed minority, targeted based on fixed, biological traits.

sure, maybe - conservatives tend to overreact to news about gay and trans and I'm not entirely willing to say what they experience is not a kind of harm (even if we aren't sympathetic to their feelings), but this theoretical exercise is pointless since being gay and trans are biological and genetic conditions that can't be altered - you're stuck with your gender identity and sexual orientation.

You said cops my kids say fuck the police. The older one gets it the younger one will.

Yours is great, I always thought the best would be to look for parents with kids that look comfortable.

Then you know the kids feel safe with their parents, and the parents don't want to suddenly pick up someone else's kid, though know how to care for it until they find their parents.

Same, we'll get him there in the end.

You can’t reform traitors to class and country

Thats an innovative way to look at it so next time someone gives that line, "... you can chose not to be gay..." I am going to ask how do you know have you done it?

Internalised homophobia is a strong drug.

I never was one, but used to fight the urge for my queerself to liberate, by fitnessing a lot and doing hobbies counterstereotypical to the gender I felt deep down. But that eventually made me a bit more miserable.

I think that somewhere in there, others decide their misery must be what others also have, and they hate seeing it, and so project their own self-hatred upon others. Luckily I skipped that train, and now I'm feeling much better.

Now that it clicked, you'll notice it in a LOT of statements made by homophobes.

No that's exactly how it works, how most outspoken homophobes are closeted. They see gay sex as giving in to the sinful urge everyone totally has.

I would even go so far as to say that quite a lot of them are bi, and when they notice that they are indeed attracted to their own gender, they can truthfully say to themselves "see? I can actually chose to be attracted to the other gender!"

Nope, I've pretty much heard it verbatim from some church colleagues (I don't go any more). I love asking, "well did you choose to be straight?", because the ones who stammer and sputter and shoot back a, "did you?!". The looks on their face when I say, "Nope! I wish I was, because I have so many gay friends I wouldn't be wanting for options!" or similar, priceless.

Even the few who get pissed off never have a good retort to that. It's like watching an old computer struggle to stay responsive. It's either straight to ad hominems and name calling pretty much ignoring the whole conversation happened like the entire "Question the Gays" app crashed, or they struggle to reconcile their shitty world views for damn minutes on end.