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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (34 children)

Pretty incredible crashout from people who are terrified that their pro-genocide devs might not exercise complete control anymore, lmao

My favorite is all these twats before saying "IF YOU DON'T LIKE LEMMY CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE" when people pointed out that the Lemmy devs were pro-genocide and enforced pro-genocide views on their flagship instance, and now that there's an alternative, they have total meltdowns about persecution, lmao.

But no one ever said fascist bootlickers were particularly bright, or, for that matter, stable. If they were, one imagines they wouldn't tie up their identity so tightly with genocide denial.

[–] AzuranAurora@piefed.ca 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They just don't like that they can't control the narrative on Piefed and that Lemmy's developers are so busy banning people for dissent that they don't spend enough time developing their platform, leading to Piefed surpassing it in features and quality.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

They are rather intolerant of dissenting opinions, even ones that agree in principle with them but take issue with their direction in what to do about the problem.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which instances are pro genocide? I take it chinese? I think someone told me some of the communist ones that back russia and china were original developers of lemmy. I haven't seen any pro israeli instances yet, although I've seen a few fascist bootlickers, influence agents, bots, or should I just call the latter two mechanized troll divisions.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

.ml, lemmygrad, and Hexbear all enforce standards of atrocity apologia and denial.

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[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I read about most of the shit the tankies on ml say it's censorship. Many of them are just common sense stuff. And the fact that you are flagged for commenting "this" or that you're commenting with a GIF from Tenor - those two things are pretty low effort and I think the answer to it is a proper one (no, it's not actually a thing about GIFs, it's about low effort comments. You can upload your own GIF elsewhere and use it).

Also, it's funny how they have nothing against China using a social credit system, but when Piefed uses it IT'S HELL ON EARTH!!!

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"China doesn't have a social credit system, and if they did it would be based; but these WESTOID KRAKKKER IMPERIALISTS are operating a SECRET POLICE by having admin access to reputation scores for an online forum 😭"

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 6 points 1 month ago

Have admins able to access to all your data on that server - ✅ OK
Have admins able to see a reliable score of all your nonsense without beating their heads around with eating your shit - ❌ THIS IS LITERALLY THOUGHT POLICE; THEY'LL SEND AGENTS TO YOUR DOOR IF YOU POST A GIF FROM TENOR AND THEY'LL TAKE YOU TO THE (NONEXISTING) GULAGS OR SOME SHIT. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

USAID which is a CIA cutout

This claim is literally standing shoulder to shoulder with known Hitler-worshipper Elon Musk's attacks on USAID last year. The only group that can out-conspiracy theory Hexbear and Grad is Qanon at this point.

[–] goat@reddthat.com 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's very curious how all extremists end up with the same talking points and views. The antisemitism from tankies is almost identical to neo-nazis, even posting and sharing the same conspiracy theories.

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If I were a bot farm operator, that's exactly what I would do. Right-wing authoritarian talking points branded with "Leftist" packaging.

[–] goat@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, most likely it's Russian disinformation at some level in the pipeline of extremism

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[–] maam@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That thread is a mess only good point that was made is that the spoiler effect is baked into first-past-the-post to minimize democracy. The elites want us stuck with only 2 choices on the ballot.

More people need to educate themselves on electoral systems since those in power want us to accept an inferior system till the end of time. But that’s too much thinking for Tankies, gotta burn down society for the accelerationism bs that just gets people killed and progress stalled for ages.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah, FPTP has to go. At least a few of our problems will leave entirely with that shitty and outdated form of voting rule, even if most problems remain.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Imagine unironically posting these comments in communities that notoriously ban people for wrong-think.

Shit like this really makes me question if they can genuinely be this stupid.

[–] goat@reddthat.com 9 points 1 month ago

i'd like to tout that this community rarely bans users and has one of the fairest and most lenient ban conditions. we encourage tankies to come and engage

but tankies like to say they get banned for 'wrongthink' since it's easier to lie than admit you can't handle people criticising your otherwise asinine positions.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

They are in denial

[–] nullroot@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah that was the post that made me block their meme community 🤣

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is the "globally tracks your score" part true? That would be a huge negative for me. I found myself self-censoring on Reddit, and I hated it when people deleted or edit their comments to preserve their karma.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is the “globally tracks your score” part true?

As I understand it, it lets the instance admin display if it drops below a certain level, as a suggestion a user needs a deeper look.

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I don't think users can see the actual number/karma equivalent by any means.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (45 children)

Interesting, I'm not sure how I feel about it. On Reddit it encouraged people to post groupthink fluff so they could be allowed onto their desired subreddit. The bots were great at that, and we got a "dead internet" website.

I suppose we've got other stuff going for us like bans being local and bots being scorned. And I have to admit that mod/admin effort isn't free. Do you think the low karma warnings could potentially be a slippery slope to something worse?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

Reddit records positive karma though, which is different.

Also Reddit or Reddit communities (not sure) can literally throttle the activity of users who are heavily downvoted within a specific subreddit. Some subs also instant block anyone with -100 Karma. Unfortunately though, when you do encounter an account like that... it's very obviously why they are like that. People can get unfairly hit by arguing in the wrong communities but 9 times out of 10, a -100 karma account (it caps at that on Reddit) has been trolling, looking for fights, spamming etc.

[–] TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's understandable to feel that way, but imo this is about basic internet etiquette rather than censorship. If I went to .ml and wrote a few sensible comments there I would quickly get a bad rep. It's not perfect but it's a far cry from censorship as well.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago

I suppose it would depend on where the score limit is. Any admin tool can be abused by a sufficiently determined admin, of course, but I think as long as the low-reputation limit is something along the lines of "This person is consistently averaging a distinctly negative score", it's probably fine. You'd really have to be overwhelmingly commenting on controversial issues with nothing but controversial takes in order to average that with good faith posting.

Mostly it's the "MY BIG NUMBER" attitude that I think should be avoided, and since users can't see their reputation, that's probably not going to be a problem.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

Much though one might criticize the lemmy devs for their politics, at least they keep it to their instance. They don't bake it into the software.

And that's very much as opposed to rimu, whose opinions are at the heart of Piefed and forced into virtually everything the software does from the moment you sign up for a piefed instance, from the preset subscriptions to the reputation tags and default hiding of downvoted content to the list of prohibited sources and banned domains.

All you have to do to avoid Dessalines and Nutonic's opinions is to avoid their instance and federated ones. But it's impossible to use Piefed and avoid rimu's opinions, because they're baked into the software.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

And that’s very much as opposed to rimu, whose opinions are at the heart of Piefed and forced into virtually everything the software does from the moment you sign up for a piefed instance...

All you have to do to avoid Dessalines and Nutonic’s opinions is to avoid their instance and federated ones. But it’s impossible to use Piefed and avoid rimu’s opinions, because they’re baked into the software.

This has been refuted time and time again by people literally running Piefed instances.

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Wait, which platform was it again that used to have a hard-coded slur list that could not be modified by instance admins but only by modifying the relevant section of code, and had the main dev throw a temper tantrum when people suggested otherwise? I forgot...

[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I kind of like the karma thing on redddit, it should be available to everyone perhaps. I guess there are upsides to not having karma too, but it is a clue to help spot some troll accounts, and influence agents, bots, etc. You see patterns in their profiles when you id one and check their profiles. They are rife across social media.

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