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I eat white button mushrooms raw, after a quick rinse of the dirt. No problem, as long as I get them from the store, properly cultivated by the shroom experts.
The image posted looks sorta similar, but is not a white button mushroom.
Thanks Google, AI has no fucking business telling anyone about mushrooms.
The image posted looks sorta similar, but is not a white button mushroom.
This mushroom is almost certainly the reason why it's drilled in so hard that you shouldn't eat random mushrooms in the woods unless you are absolutely sure it's safe.
Destroying Angel mushrooms look like puffball mushrooms when they're initially fruiting, and then grow to look like button mushrooms before they reach full maturity. If you eat one of these you'll get severe abdominal pain and vomit for around 24 hours and then show signs of recovery. However, by that point it's almost certainly too late, and organ failure and death is soon to follow
So in a fucked up way, those TikTok kids swallowing Tide pods a few years ago are smarter than Gemini recommending “yummy button mushrooms”?
No. They did less damage to themselves, but they were eating something that they knew was very obviously not food for a social media "challenge". Trusting the wrong source and attempting to eat food is very slightly smarter.
They mostly weren't eating them, just making staged videos of themselves doing something dumb the way teenagers have ever since they got access to cameras. The problem is that biting into one and spitting it out again can be enough to kill you as laundry detergent can corrode your tongue and throat in seconds and it's very easy to inhale liquid throat. The media reported it as teens eating tide pods, which made staging fake eating tide pod videos using a real tide pod as a prop seem like a fun idea for even more teenagers. If the media had been a little more responsible, then they could have got the message across that something more dangerous than it seemed was dangerous instead of telling people something obviously dangerous that hadn't happened was dangerous.
I appreciate the context, but I just want to point out that you're blaming "the media" for people putting laundry detergent in their mouth. I did dumb teenage things, yet even I feel qualified to say how knowingly stupid that is, especially for the payoff of... online validation?
Damn that's a badass name tho... 🤘💀🤘
They are in the anamita genus, most of them are toxic
They can save people if caught in time. First things first, eat charcoal, crush and mix with water and drink. Not briquettes either actual charcoal it soaks up toxins and you excrete them instead of absorbing.
But the hospitals have liver protective substances, including milk thistle root extract they give.
Facebook might be enshitified but their mushroon id groups will id for you. ER's use them even for suspected poisonings.
Reddit is meh, half of id requests get zero engagement.
iNaturalist is amazing (not necessarily their auto-id model, but the community that helps ID things).
To be fair, people usually have no business telling anyone about mushrooms. I’ve seen enough arguments in mushroom communities to know the only person I would trust about what sorts of fungi are edible is someone who went to school and has a degree in mycology.
There are 423 spp. If mushroom where I live, and only like 20 are edible. The rest will wreck your day or end you.
I'm not a gambling man.
As the great Pratchett wrote: All mushrooms are edible. Some just once.
I guess Gemini used that as base for its answer.
Light Fantastic I think
Maybe the poisonous ones are also all super tasty! It really is a tragedy!
No, they aren't.
Source: Personal experience.
Remember business ethics lol?
"Corporate personhood" should imply corporate imprisonment and corporate execution.
Your business is directly, knowingly responsible for someone's death? business license terminated, no ifs, ands or buts.
I dream of the day we could put Nestle to death at the Hague
I don't believe in the death penalty, but I do believe in the corporate death penalty.
gives 3 million in small unmarked bills
'actually no wrongdoing was found'
Corporate personhood implies the opposite of what you want though. It means that the corporation can enter into contracts and be sued for breaches of them, but you want the officers of a corporation to be sued and held responsible directly.
Your business is directly, knowingly responsible for someone’s death? business license terminated
Even with corporate personhood, a business can't know things, only its employees can. If an employee is directly and knowingly responsible for someone's death, they should go to jail - but they already can be.
But if you're talking about the current example, who would be directly responsible for a death occurring because of a misidentified mushroom?
Kinda wild how people that know their mushrooms could just go into the woods and get a highly effective poison. I'm surprised mushroom murders aren't more common
I feel like the difficulty in poisoning someone is not obtaining the poison in the first place but the delivery and getting away with it
Hmm this person knew the victim, had a motive, and was really into mycology, and the autopsy had signs of poisoning from a rare mushroom…
Good deniability though.
Be publicly into micology and commonly collect mushrooms to cook when you have guests over.
Only issue would be to somehow plausably not poison yourself to death. Maybe taking little enough you survive.
And take care you aren't quite known as fully competent, spread the air of knowledge without any solid proof or association.
I'll look like you were a sham and amateur overestimating themselves.
Or just accidentally run them over with a car.
Here I made you some mushroom pasta!
There was that case in Australia last year, the poisoner just did a really bad job at covering her tracks. There probably are intelligent people able to get away with it that we don't hear about. It's crazy.
It was wild reading that as it happened. "Oh no, only the people I invited were poisoned! I'm so lucky to be alive!" Homie. That's suspicious as hell.
Didn't she also leave a book of poisonous mushrooms in her house or something. Like not even hidden away just on a table somewhere.
I mean, you can also just walk into a hardware store. Or the cleaning isle of your grocery store.
Where is the style in that? Where is the panache?
Everybody is going to remember the mushroom murderer, nobody is going to remember some bleach boy.
Yeah, but with a mushroom there is a natural explanation or may not be as obvious as "someone fed this guy bleach".
People will eat a mushroom pizza if you give it to them
Yeah but usually unless the person is getting into mushroom picking the cops tend to suspect it's the person in their life that goes mushroom picking
There are some that only cause death up to two weeks after ingestion. So just make some soup ig
You would need to know how to id a destroying Angel and then somehow put in someones food without them immediately identified as suspicious. Also it causes specific symptoms too, and likely would ask questions of a strange mushroom
I wonder why the person who created the original post didn't share the prompt? It must be hard to farm engagement when you're being honest. Here's what Gemini actually says:
Different prompts yield different results
I've noticed that when you tell AI some lie and that it's true, it will generally just go with what you're saying.
If I say I'm a god, AI likely will just go with it and in no time support my delusional thoughts.
Not this particular example, but I've had multiple results where AI gave me the wrong answer because I told it something incorrect prior.
If I were to tell AI that I found a yummie button mushroom, then the picture, there is a good chance it would respond like in this example
Part of the problem here is that AI is mostly done by companies with billions of investments and in turn they NEEEEEDDDDD engagement, so they all made their AI as agreeable as possible just so people would like it and stay, with results like these becoming much more "normal" than it should or could be
Part of the problem here is that AI is mostly done by companies with billions of investments and in turn they NEEEEEDDDDD engagement, so they all made their AI as agreeable as possible just so people would like it and stay, with results like these becoming much more "normal" than it should or could be
I wonder how much of that is intentional vs a byproduct of their training pipeline. I didn't keep up with everything (and those companies became more and more secretive as time went on), but iirc for GPT 3.5 and 4 they used human judges to judge responses. Then they trained a judge model that learns to sort a list of possible answers to a question the same way the human judges would.
If that model learned that agreeing answers were on average more highly rated by the human judges, then that would be reflected in its orderings. This then makes the LLM more and more likely to go along with whatever the user throws at it as this training/fine-tuning goes on. Instead of the judges liking agreeing answers more on average, it could even be a training set balance issue, where there simply were more agreeing than disagreeing possible answers. A dataset imbalanced that way has a good chance of introducing a bias towards agreeing answers into the judge model. The judge model would then pass that bias onto the GPT model it is used for to train.
Pure speculation time: since ChatGPT often produces two answers and asks the user which one the user prefers, I can only assume that the user in that case is taking the mantle of those human judges. It's unsurprising that the average GenAI user prefers to be agreed with. So that's also a very plausible source for that bias.
What is it and how do I avoid it?
@Godort@lemmy.ca mentioned it in another reply in this post. It's a Destroying Angel Mushroom. you usually avoid mushrooms like that by only foraging those who have no simulacrae and buying the other mushrooms in the store, or by intensely studying the differences and hoping you are lucky this time.
That's a very metal name for a mushroom
Death cap is another name.
As a forager, I live in the middle of a forest, I do hunt mushrooms for myself, I even have shaggy manes that grow wild in my yard. There are tasty and safe ones out there to find in season. It's something even people who live in a city can do. Parks hold some very interesting free foods if you know what you're looking at.
BUT, you better learn from a local expert who has been hunting locally for years. They know hat grows locally and how to identify them. Using your phone or a book is helpful, but never definitive. Pictures can lie. And even then, there can be a tiny risk.
If you want to get into foraging, spend a year or more going foraging and only taking pictures. It's a lot of fun to find a new species that you haven't found before. You'll also get familiarized with your local ecosystem. Never eat any mushroom without a positive ID. AI can give you a starting point for identification, but not a positive ID. https://mushroomexpert.com/ is a very up to date resource for getting a positive ID
Also, if you are a beginner, don't pick white mushrooms. Just learn to identify couple easily differentiated local species and pick those, then later add one and one and so on. Don't blindly trust internet as your source either; the mushrooms from different continents can look the same but be very different. Get a new edition of some mushroom book written in your country
Is that the xkcd mushroom