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What's it with the Wayland hate?
X did a great job for decades but it's old, it never was designed for modern day requirements, let it retire gracefully instead of dumping on it's replacement, maybe?
I understand there are some apps that still require X, those at some point will be / should be / have to be updated, but I don't see that as a reason not to want to move forward to something better
Some people just can't find a better hill to die on it seems.
Wayland is overall just better. I know there are plenty of apps that keep people on X11 just because they don't properly support/work on Wayland yet, but other than that I'm not sure why you would want to stay on X11.
The software you use working correctly is kind of a big deal, though.
Wayland is like how windows people say Linux is.
It works and is Incredible, but on X11 things just work.
Window manager automation. I use hotkeys to resize and move windows based on their title, pin them to certain monitors, etc...
ydotool is a step in the right direction, but AFAIK it can only simulate mouse and keyboard input
It all went downhill when they removed printer support.
Cinnamon user here. I wish I could use Wayland. ;_;
You can, its just a little unstable I'll occasionally switch to Wayland and tinker
So I recently updated pop from 22.04 to 24.04. The only real headache I've had is running games through proton. Games now start in windows, which might not even show up at all until I super + F11 to full screen it. The mouse gets stuck in either a corner or the middle, sometimes the cursor works in the menus but stops working on the game itself. Gamescope can fix some of these issues, but alt-tabbing is always an adventure if it breaks the game or not.
An annoying thing is it is very hard to figure out where an issue lies. Is it wayland, is it Cosmic, is it gamescope, or proton? Any tips or tricks people might have would be appreciated.
It's a shame, because I want to like Wayland. i don't know what magic system 76 worked in x11 but the only issue I had before was some tearing when moving windows around. 2 monitors of different resolution and framerate with nvidia.
Let me guess... You have an Nvidia card.
Protip: People who have iGPU + nvidia can just set the iGPU as main GPU on the BIOS and offload 3D programs to the nvidia via prime-run like they would on a laptop.
That's my setup.
I used to do this, but literally just switched to discrete Nvidia yesterday.
Zero issues so far. TBH it actually fixed issues I had with HDR and video decoding on my AMD IGP.
Guilty as charged
So you are living in an illusion of choice, while your options are obviously determined by the big corpo that you relied on for getting that card
(Saying that, I got an NVIDIA card like a dumbass too)
....more like a gifted old laptop, but yeah.
So not your choice either XD
My 16G RTX-3080 Mobile works well with Niri
I've found it varies from compositor to compositor:
Since I love the scrolling aspect of Niri as well, it works out well that it has the best Wayland support. 10/10 project. I love it
When I was on X11 still I was primarily an i3 user, and the transition to Hyprland and Niri has been generally positive
But yeah, I've worked with Nvidia on Linux for several years now on multiple machines. I'm finally throwing in the towel whenever I buy a new PC. AMD all the way. It's just better on Linux, even on X11
The latest Nvidia drivers have broken composition in Xfce, so I've been raw-dogging basic X11. It's like I'm using WinXP again.
Running Kubuntu 25.10 on a full wayland desktop and getting much better performance and stability.
Wayland is a sports car - modern, tailor made for performance. X is like a '99 Civic that's had the seatbelts stripped out and the airbags replaced with cameras that let all the other cars on the road see you naked.
It's fine to prefer X, but the older it gets the more people are going to roll their eyes at you. XWayland is fine for random old stuff, but there is zero reason X should be running your whole display these days.
Inb4 someone mentions network transparency that gimps the rest of the system or some 5000 year old app that needs to sniff events sent to every other program.
And the network transparency argument is long gone. While you can indeed network windows over the wire, most toolkits use client side rendering/decorations. So you're just sending bloated pixmaps across the wire when things like RDP , VNC, etc deal better with compression, damage to the window, etc. And anything relying or accelerated with DRI3 is just NOT network transparent.
Most modern toolkits have moved past X11 because the X protocol was severely lacking, and there wasn't a good way as a committee to modify the protocol in an unified manner. I mean look at the entire moving Earth that it took for XFixes and Damage extensions. Toolkits wanted deep access to the underlying hardware and so they would go out of their way to work around X, because it just could not keep up.
Tell me you never deployed remote linux desktop in an enterprise environment without telling me you never deployed remote desktop linux in an enterprise environment.
After these decades of Wayland prosperity, I still canβt get a commercially supported remote desktop solution that works properly for a few hundred users. Why? Because on X, you could highjack the display server itself and feed that into your nice TigerVNC-server, regardless of desktop environment. Nowadays, you need to implement this in each separate compositor to do it correctly (i.e. damage tracking). Also, unlike X, Wayland generally expects a GPU in your remote desktop servers, and have you seen the prices for those lately?
Agreed. I was an early Wayland convert because once upon a time I started writing a WM and taking an interest in X internals... And then my face melted off like I'd opened the Ark of the Covenant.
Things are so much simpler now.
I honestly donβt know where people are getting these Wayland issues. Iβm on EndeavorOS with an RTX 3080ti and multiple monitors and it has worked flawlessly for ~2 years now.
There's probably a lot of people on 'stable' distros who are still running Wayland code from a couple of years ago and hitting bugs that have been fixed already.
Maybe, x still works better for me on all three systems. Idk I don't get it. Everything says wayland should be better but it runs horribly for me. A stuttering mess.
I honestly haven't noticed a different except Wayland feeling a bit faster.
You'll only see when you open your xeyes.
